Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually, I was pushing for you staying out of local under gate cloak so you could load the grid, and a system where your safety under cloak degrades over time so that you could disrupt and hunt actively but not be safe if you decided to go take a nap.

I am sorry if it hurts your feelings that nobody wants to play your victim. What was happening in a solar system before you got there is irrelevant.

No one but the guy hanging out in space under the cloak is invulnerable.

I certainly wasn't, that's why I put my non-combat ship in a dock when hostiles arrived. I am sorry it hurts your feelings when no one wants to play your victim, but going to dock isn't a sign or symptom of invulnerability, it's a sign of defeat and loss mitigation.

Staying in space, and then deciding to go take a nap despite active hunters is invulnerability.

The choice is lose, or lose more. You can't claim no one is defending the space when you hide under a cloak to avoid being evicted by locals in combat ships.

Its not really working if that is your goal. There are lots of places in null sec where soft targets can operate with impunity. Which is part of the issue I suppose. There are not really that many null sec systems where afk cloaks can have meaningful backup. So they stack into systems where they do....and think the downtime that causes PvE players there is meaningful in the grand scheme of things.

Then the answer is to nerf local and open more random empire to empire WHs, to break up the stagnation caused by null bears.

I would support this 100%. Give me a way to attack it in null and take away local, and a way to hunt cloaks. Keep HS/LS as is, remove the option to online the structure to remove local as well as the ability to hunt for cloaks in WHs.

As long as WHs remain the same, I'm OK with a nerf to cloaks in null provided I have the ability to get rid of local when I want.

I wish people would spend even a month living in all areas of space before commenting on ideas. I've lived in sov null, hs, ls and WHs. The unintended consequences of something that helps only *one* area of the game to the other parts of space are huge. I am by no means a l33t PvP-er (look at my less than impressive killboard), but part of the fun of moving to null/WHs/etc is the constant danger. Hell, the danger (not the money) was why I left HS in the first place.

I don't, local tells you I am there and lets you prepare to deal with me however you want.

If he is under the cloak you are invulnerable. He cannot target your, activate modules, etc. To do all that, he has to decloak...and guess what, then he is vulnerable.

Now, if the cloaker could bring a flag.

Moving to a POS does make local vulnerable to disruption (you destroy it). Making it vulnerable to hacking would make it vulnerable to being "lied to".

Hot dropping is far, far less of a thing. Fatigue and the limitation on to jump drive ranges was a pretty solid nerf.

Moving local to a POS and thereby being vulnerable to being lied too (hopefully) and/or destroyed, the need for AFK cloaking is greatly diminished.

So...why are you opposed to moving intel into a POS?

It's not as infallible as you make it out. It only becomes as useful as the locals can make it. Why does it not get used to make people "invulnerable" in high sec? Because you have to clear it of hostiles.

While farfetched and much more effort, you could flood a given system with alts in max speed interceptors and achieve much the same effect. It would take forever to hunt and catch them, if you even could catch one burning. Someone really fast at scanning, and maybe some linked tackle bonused ships could manage. Most likely a group effort....which would be appropriate.

People like to conflate this into a problem with Intel, and it's not. Intel is it's own thing, with many balance considerations beyond the impact of cloaks. It is needed to help drive conflict. It does not have to stay in the form of local, but something similar will always be needed.

It is infallible, saying otherwise, and you are basically lieing to yourself "UP NAMES JUMPED HE NOT BLUE! TIME TO SCRAMBLE TO A SAFE SPOT" Oh here another good one I see in "Intel channels" ... "There was a red and orange spike passing through XXX-YYY system, be aligned and ready to dock up!" There is literally no active intel gathering here, it just waiting for names to pop up on a list /for you/.

Flooding a system with alts.... Wow talk about taking a rather impossible practice and trying to throw said impossible wrench into the mix. Really, if they are going to dock up due to 1 neut, what makes you think they are going to come out when there are hundreds or thousands of nuets in the system? Do you even read your **** before you post? I am honestly tired of people having the truth stare them in the freaken face, and out right not accepting it. There is 200 + pages of majority of people all either trying to redirect the problem away, or to local.

"IT NOT LOCAL PROBLEM IT CLOAK PROBLEM"

"NU-UH IT LOCAL PROBLEM NOT CLOAKING PROBLEM" You all are like children. I swear, and I don't give to Silly-dunkies how many people I make mad, but it time to wake the hell up. This thread, and cloaking, local, real intel tools. IT WILL NEVER GO ANYWHERE, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. You know why it will never go anywhere, because you all bicker like old men at a bingo game on who called bingo first!

IT TIME TO WAKE UP AND SMELL REALITY MIKE VOIDSTAR, Like or not, cloaking, local, jump bridging. They are all tied together by one system or another. Like it or not, this is reality, an no number of word games, and mind hops you throw, will change this fact. Those goes out to more then just Mike. It goes out to this whole damn thread. This thread is pointless, and moot, it was placed here so you all can argue without clogging up the whole damn forums with a new thread a week.

If you all really want to see change, then you all need to do something that we call in reality: Working together.

This isn't a rant, this is a wake up call for this entire thread.