EVE General Discussion

Dust is competing with games like MAG and Planetside. Anyone who thinks it is or should compete with CoD or Battlefield is obviously unfamiliar with any of the games I just mentioned...

DUST is also being released for less than half the price of most retail games and will be easier to access since it will be downloadable from day one. CCP has also acknowledged (in so many words) that there will be a port to PC within a year.

I don't understand why EVE players are hating on DUST so much when it is adding an entirely new dimension to the game, and it isn't even confirmed that DUST for PS3 will not have keyboard and mouse support.

http://dust514.org/home/item/everything-we-wanted-to-know-about-dust-514-and-weren-t-afraid-to-ask?category_id=1


To recap:

- DUST 514 will be VERY cheap to initially play compared to most retail games

- It will be available for download from day one

- Almost guaranteed it will be eventually ported to PC

- The PS3 supports a keyboard and mouse, and there is a strong possibility it will be supported for DUST.


Much of this is from the interview in the above link.

Battlefield and CoD target a completely different demographic and have very different business models. Planetside existed alongside CoD and BF for years. MAG is still populated and Planetside 2 is coming out soon, despite the new CoD and BF3. It makes little sense to compare a game like DUST to Battlefield and CoD.

Allowing the game and its rich universe to be accessible to different types of players and allowing one to see the game from a different point of view sounds full of win to me.

Objective-based persistent-world MMOFPS with a strong player-driven element.
No. Borderlands was a loot-driven co-op FPS with RPG elements in a Mad Max-ian frontier/wasteland setting, held together by a story that was just as pointless as it was in the clickfest-fjantasy-RPG version (Diablo).
…and yet EVE survives just fine without the millions of subscribers of WoW (and is a better game to boot), and doesn't face empty servers every time WoW releases an expansion. So the question remains: why does Dust need those millions of players that the big-name games have, when EVE quite obviously does not?

Actually I made a search before I posted this thread because of that, 2 relevant ones would be..

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=538499#post538499

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=532139#post532139

Not really what I was talking about in these ones but still similar subject. Thanks for your valuable input though.

There are reasons why console games producers need to churn out frequent new releases at $50-60 a pop to stay in business.

There are reasons why even with the above business model console game producers have difficulty surviving on the percentage of profit they make.

Very few of those reasons apply to CCP, which explains why they really aren't concerned with producing huge numbers when the game is first released. Nor do they feel pressure to do anything other than what they already prefer to do, that being to expand their original offering on a regular basis.

CCP is is an excellent, and somewhat unique, position compared to their competitors. They are in a position to do it a new way, a more financially sound way (that doesn't depend on constant new releases and marketing hype to survive), and drag the rest of the console game industry kicking and screaming along with them.

If you pay very close attention, you will notice many of the big players in the console game industry scrambling frantically to create their own version of what CCP is already doing.

Where is it talking about Planetside 2?

I admit I skim read them but still can't see it. The PS4 thing is similar but that was no how this thread started.

It is these days.

We no longer have the situation where an FPS is an FPS is an FPS — they have been segmented quite a wide spectrum of game types by now. The main difference here is the persistent world: what you do has effects on the game world, and its state is determined by the players. The games you mention have unlockables — that is not the same thing as persistence. The N:th time you run a map, it will be the exact same map as the M:th time you run it. Its objectives is not set by the map, but by the agent or contractor. You are dismissing differences to such a degree that we might as well consider SS:BFE to be the same as ArmA.
That depends on how it will tie in to the territorial control aspect of the game (and EVE). It won't be 500 per map, Planetside-style, no, but it may very well end up being 500 (or more) per campaign.
Honestly, you are a clueless little house-plant who has obviously never actually played an MMOFPS, considering how so staggeringly ignorant you are about the differences between one of those and a normal FPS. Of course it will not be ground-breaking — Planetside already broke that ground (aside from the cross-game interaction), but then again, neither is/was EVE, and yet here we are today…
Oh, you mean just like PC players? Well, good thing that they're going after the console market, then, since it's actually bigger these days.

Besides Planetside can you name me one good MMOFPS?

Like I said before, DUST will be 99.99% EVE players that have a PS3. That will be the main audience and that is not going to change.

Could you also let me know the lottery numbers for the Euro millions.... and who will be the first person on Mars.

I'm sensing some serious negativity here. Also seeing lots of random numbers.

FPS I've played:

TF2 - Time: maybe 20 hours
Brink - Time: Maybe 5 hours, and I thought that one would be super good.
BFBC2 - Estimate more than 100 hours. I like it, and have a few servers that I like.
Battlefield Heroes - Maybe 20-30 hours. This one is kinda fun.
BF 2142 - Time: Maybe 1-1/2 hours. Hacker ridden; sucks ****
CoD: Black Ops - Time: None. Never played past a few storyline missions.
Some other CoD or Similar game ages ago - Maybe 20 hours on LAN. Was mostly fun, but I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it online.

Best Game: BFBC2

Pros:

- Usually no problem finding a game.
- Can be fun.
- Sometimes you get to play with friends.
- You don't need to play with friends to have fun.
- Has a ranking system and different server modes.
- Maps are mostly fun.

Cons:

- Not persistent. Contrary to the statement above; the only thing persistent is your online ID and available gear.
- Hackers.
- You have to be really good to get up there, or be really patient.
- Easy to get pwned by guys who play regularly.

Dust 514 doesn't fit into this genre; though there are some elements that make it similar. I've never played MAG, Warhawk, or Planetside 2; so I can't speak for them. Haven't even more than briefly glanced at them actually.

I'm pretty sure that CCP/Sony will ensure that Dust 514 will have a PS4 version ready for launch, especially since they probably have two or more years to do it in (the PS4 is still a long way off)