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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#81 - 2015-12-15 00:45:00 UTC
Rayit wrote:
I just want to play Mothership some more. It's not about being AFK, I just enjoy being the big tanky boss that sends my minions out to do my work. Quite happy giving up turret slots and/or DPS as long as I don't have to play the frustrating drone micro game.

Can't you just RR them?

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CENTUREAN
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2015-12-15 01:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CENTUREAN
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Rayit wrote:
I just want to play Mothership some more. It's not about being AFK, I just enjoy being the big tanky boss that sends my minions out to do my work. Quite happy giving up turret slots and/or DPS as long as I don't have to play the frustrating drone micro game.

Can't you just RR them?



No, the incoming dps cannot be repped with a single repper.

You would need a dedicated logi ship next to every pve ship dedicated to keeping drones alive.






Is there any word etc from CCP regarding this ? Drones/etc have been effectively removed from eve online.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#83 - 2015-12-15 02:57:24 UTC
CENTUREAN wrote:
No, the incoming dps cannot be repped with a single repper.
You would need a dedicated logi ship next to every pve ship dedicated to keeping drones alive.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of setup are you running and what area?

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CENTUREAN
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2015-12-15 04:56:02 UTC  |  Edited by: CENTUREAN
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CENTUREAN wrote:
No, the incoming dps cannot be repped with a single repper.
You would need a dedicated logi ship next to every pve ship dedicated to keeping drones alive.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of setup are you running and what area?



Nullsec , BS class ship. ...

Years ago this was an issue, I equipped a dedicated logi ship with combat drones. I went through L3 missions just fine with a Oneiros. I was even able to tank L4 missions with my Oneiros, but couldn't put out enough DPS to get L4 BS mission rats. Oneiros is limited to bandwidth of 50 i think. Sure other ships can put out bigger drones but lack the logi range to keep them alive.

Other say to keep pumping out more drones...yet my pve ship only has enough room for 5 drones total. I would have to dock and restock 6.5M isk of drones every 20mins.

I have been playing for years and I've never played afk. I seriously don't know anyone who ever has. Pve takes alot of work as far as I'm concerned. My game play(isk) is effectively grounded now.


Is there any word etc from CCP regarding this ? Drones/etc have been effectively removed from eve online.
Pandora Bokks
Pangalactic Frontline Supply Agency
#85 - 2015-12-15 11:40:22 UTC
NPC KI changed in Covert Besieged Research Facilities. Before the patch, the rats never aggroed drones, no matter whether you pulled aggro first. Now it is impossible to draw aggro, they always target drones first and often 2-shot sentries and heavies from 70 km.

If this is intentional, it would be good to include it in the patch notes or get some information from a dev, so we can plan accordingly (goodbye Ishtar, hello Deimos).
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#86 - 2015-12-15 11:54:34 UTC
Pandora Bokks wrote:
If this is intentional, it would be good to include it in the patch notes or get some information from a dev, so we can plan accordingly (goodbye Ishtar, hello Deimos).

Wouldn't that take the fun out of it? Twisted

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#87 - 2015-12-15 15:36:47 UTC
Did not noticed any change yet. Maybe because my drones have optimal and control range of 150 km, so it is hard for NPC to hit them that far.

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Muto Bani
Dynatechnologies
#88 - 2015-12-15 18:58:35 UTC
Hey Folks ! Since the recent patch rollout, ratting in a drone ship is simply broken.
The current situation ist unplayable - i suppose it is not an intention that a whole stage aggros one drone at a time and vaporises it in one shot.

Please fix this or at least tell us we should go for tengu ratting now.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2015-12-15 23:38:26 UTC
Muto Bani wrote:
Hey Folks ! Since the recent patch rollout, ratting in a drone ship is simply broken.
The current situation ist unplayable - i suppose it is not an intention that a whole stage aggros one drone at a time and vaporises it in one shot.

Please fix this or at least tell us we should go for tengu ratting now.


There are unconfirmed reports the drone aggro may have changed back to normal after last nights patch.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2015-12-16 10:14:19 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.

This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing.

I however have my doubts if this will change anything because again change out of nowhere.

I've been running anoms in null in a Domi for years. I'll admit I've never looked for a way to afk anoms so it would not be impossible for a way to exist that I am unaware of, however I don't see how anyone could have AFKed anoms for years now. The drone aggro mechanics from several years ago has made it so that I am consantly having to recall my sentries and redeploy them even warping to 100 KM.

So my real question is do we know for sure that AFK anom running has been a thing or are you speculating?

I'm just curious because I'm reading this and don't see how it's possible.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#91 - 2015-12-16 15:25:36 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.

This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing.

I however have my doubts if this will change anything because again change out of nowhere.

I've been running anoms in null in a Domi for years. I'll admit I've never looked for a way to afk anoms so it would not be impossible for a way to exist that I am unaware of, however I don't see how anyone could have AFKed anoms for years now. The drone aggro mechanics from several years ago has made it so that I am consantly having to recall my sentries and redeploy them even warping to 100 KM.

So my real question is do we know for sure that AFK anom running has been a thing or are you speculating?

I'm just curious because I'm reading this and don't see how it's possible.


It's not speculation. It's a fact.

See: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/01/fit-of-week-isktar.html

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kvQ5jBl0_w
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#92 - 2015-12-16 19:28:00 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
t's not speculation. It's a fact.

See: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/01/fit-of-week-isktar.html
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kvQ5jBl0_w

Hehe. "Afktar" or "ISKtar", lol.

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Gorishimo Watia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2015-12-16 21:34:31 UTC
I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.

Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?

I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#94 - 2015-12-16 22:20:01 UTC
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.

Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?

I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it.


So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay?
Gorishimo Watia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2015-12-16 22:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorishimo Watia
Estella Osoka wrote:
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.

Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?

I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it.


So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay?




uhhh what? when did i say that?

AFK farm and mine in hi sec all you want i dont care, easier to gank as well
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#96 - 2015-12-16 22:46:32 UTC
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.

Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?

I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it.


So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay?




uhhh what? when did i say that?

AFK farm and mine in hi sec all you want i dont care, easier to gank as well


Yet the reverse cannot be said in the blue donut. Sounds like risk vs. reward is out of whack.
Gorishimo Watia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2015-12-16 23:22:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorishimo Watia
Estella Osoka wrote:
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.

Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?

I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it.


So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay?




uhhh what? when did i say that?

AFK farm and mine in hi sec all you want i dont care, easier to gank as well


Yet the reverse cannot be said in the blue donut. Sounds like risk vs. reward is out of whack.



Ok and how is the risk vs reward any different for an active ratting ship? In fact it's probably less risk active ratting since you are paying attention. I see AFK ratting as higher risk since you are an easy target to anyone trying to PVP you.
Khaos Hammer
Khaos Drifter
#98 - 2015-12-16 23:47:34 UTC
Every time there's a post like this, the trolls come out in force. They love to throw around "carebear" and "no AFK ratting for you" without really understanding the issue.

I live in nullsec and I don't AFK rat. I pay attention. But I do use drone boats and, in fact, was training to use the Ishtar. Right now, I can't even use my VNI. Every time I try to run a site, the rats just aggro the drones over and over. I spend more time pulling them in and releasing them than I do killing the rats. Sometimes, the rats all target the same drone and just destroy it. I use Caldari Navy Wasps, so that's 3-4 mil down the drain, which really eats into profits.

Can I switch ships? Sure. I can use my Gila with no issue because they really can't hit the medium drones. I can switch to my Raven, which really doesn't depend on drones for DPS. And that's fine for me, but some people only trained drone skills and don't have as many skill points as I do. And it still sucks to have ships like the VNI, Ishtar, and Dominix be neutered by something like this. It's actually torturous to use them to rat with now, so they'll just sit in my hanger.

So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.

So, yeah. I'd like to know if this is a bug or intentional. Because if it's intentional, then the drone boats just got a big nerf.
Gorishimo Watia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2015-12-16 23:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorishimo Watia
Khaos Hammer wrote:
Every time there's a post like this, the trolls come out in force. They love to throw around "carebear" and "no AFK ratting for you" without really understanding the issue.

I live in nullsec and I don't AFK rat. I pay attention. But I do use drone boats and, in fact, was training to use the Ishtar. Right now, I can't even use my VNI. Every time I try to run a site, the rats just aggro the drones over and over. I spend more time pulling them in and releasing them than I do killing the rats. Sometimes, the rats all target the same drone and just destroy it. I use Caldari Navy Wasps, so that's 3-4 mil down the drain, which really eats into profits.

Can I switch ships? Sure. I can use my Gila with no issue because they really can't hit the medium drones. I can switch to my Raven, which really doesn't depend on drones for DPS. And that's fine for me, but some people only trained drone skills and don't have as many skill points as I do. And it still sucks to have ships like the VNI, Ishtar, and Dominix be neutered by something like this. It's actually torturous to use them to rat with now, so they'll just sit in my hanger.

So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.

So, yeah. I'd like to know if this is a bug or intentional. Because if it's intentional, then the drone boats just got a big nerf.






Try a different system or a few if you can, it seems that some systems bug out due too the frostline sites.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#100 - 2015-12-17 00:12:04 UTC
Khaos Hammer wrote:
So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.

Considering the amount of trolling mission runners got with the burner bug a few weeks age, some of it from SpaceMonkey's Alliance and other nullsec groups iirc, this post is particularly ironic.

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