Skill Discussions

In case it hasn't already been mentioned....

CCP changes to the support website have broken the "new-style" predefined API key links, but the "old-style" still works.

https://community.eveonline.com/support/api-key/CreatePredefined?accessMask=59645960

Chribba, I have a suggestion(if this has not been discussed before). There is this Global Rankings on EVEBoard,right? It shows many statistics on who has the most of what(skillwise mostly). How about adding the statistic about who has the most unallocated skillpoints in a descending order? I think it is as similar as the idea of having "who has the most ISK" statistic. What do you think about this?

Greetings all,

Chribba, since the introduction of the new skills "Command Destroyers" and "Logistics Frigates" last week, my board ranks page has shown that I have 1 level 2 skill and 1 level 3 skill, with the rest trained to level 4 or 5. I have added the two new skills but have trained each just to level 2, with the intent of holding them there (and collecting other new skills at L2) until I can figure out how to bring a batch of new level 2 skills through level 3 with as little impact on my overall rank as possible.

The lone level 3 in the data is, of course, currently crushing my overall rank - is it possible to correct this?

Also, and I know this has come up in the past but I don't think it has been talked about lately, has there been any further thought on changing the L4 and L3 rank categories to be cumulative rather than mutually exclusive, i.e., the Level 3 rank would become number of skills that are L3 or higher and L4 rank number of skills that are L4 or higher?

Thanks, as always, for your efforts in maintaining this outstanding resource!

I could be totally wrong about what he is asking, but:
I don't think he means the skill rank, I think he means the EB ranking of "number of skills at level 3"

For instance, I currently have 44 skills at level 3. My ranking is in the 10,000 range for that stat.
If I train a couple skills to level 4, my ranking will go backwards for that stat, but it may also go backwards on EB overall.
So a better trained character may have a worse ranking.

Again, I could be interpreting his question wrong, but I observed my own character going backwards in ranking.
Since all I was doing was pumping up level 3's to level 4, I deduced that was the issue. At one point, I think I had a years worth of skills that I pushed to level 4.

Chribba I have been meaning to ask if there is a way now to show number of ships with Mastery Level 5 on eveboard (or even for each level eg # @ l1, # @ l2, # @ l3 etc) ?

I know Evemon now has Masteries (I know that is nothing to do with you) but does that mean that they are on the API now, or have the Evemon team possibly done something internally in order to be able to include such metrics (in which case don't worry about it) ?

Raven and Amateratsu are on to what I'm saying.

It's a complex issue, hard to approach in this venue, but put simply, the current methodology penalizes characters who have advanced most or all skills to Level 4 and Level 5.

The error in my character's data illustrates the adverse impact of the current methodology of assigning mutually exclusive Level 3, 4 and 5 ranks in arriving at overall rank:

Level 5 skills: 224, rank: 200
Level 4 skills: 185, rank: 53
Level 3 skills: 1, rank: 70,344
(other stuff)
Overall rank: 57

Current methodology with corrected data:

Level 5 skills: 224, rank: 200
Level 4 skills: 185, rank: 53
Level 3 skills: 0, rank: approximately 1,750 (eveboard imputed value for a null category)
(other stuff)
Overall rank: 1 (sorry, somebody has to be here...)

Revised methodology with cumulative L3 and L4 ranks:

Level 5 skllls: 224, rank: 200
Level 4 or higher: 409, rank: probably top 20
Level 3 or higher: 409, rank: probably top 20
(other stuff)
Overall rank: 1

Overlook, for a moment, my shameless plug to remain #1, and focus on the adverse impact that a low Level 3 skill total has on overall rank. With many characters reaching the "all skills trained to Level 4 or higher" level (see separate thread on the subject), now may be the time to revise the ranking methodology to better recognize those achievements.

I wonder if that is close to the question I had about the skill ranking when you compare two pilots? I always seem to have a higher score than others, even those up to 10-15m sp more than me...not intentional of course. I was just wondering how that score came to be...

That does go a long way to explaining something that I had noticed. That there were players with 10 - 20 mill SP less than me that were ranked higher than me and I couldn't see any obvious reason why that was the case. I wasn't bothered enough to post and ask about it but it's good to know. Cheers :)

I will look into seeing if I can show that somehow.

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