EVE General Discussion

Removed some post and those referring to them for the above reason. Please keep it civil or this thread will be closed.

I rather have one good posts that solves all the problem than 3000 trying to solve a problem, which leads to finding out that it didn't solve the problem while the same problem was then caused to be more problematic.

Now, let's verify a few factors.

1st.
Is the Decline in numbers a problem?

2nd.
Is the starting to turn into RAPID effect normal given the circumstances or to be expected.

3rd.
What are the best solutions.

4th.
How to implement those solutions, or, how to actually solve the potential problem with one of those conditions or a combination of those solutions components...


As for the First point,
Is the Decline in numbers a problem?
I really do wonder, because as CCP mentioned (or pointed out) , the decline in numbers wasn't so much a decline in player numbers , but more of a decline in player accounts number being logged in .

Now, that may or may not include inactive accounts, as an inactive account doesn't have to be logged in to exist.

Also, there are many more variation related to the fact that certain numbers are declining.

To me, when I read this, I thought that the number that was declining was the number of logged in player accounts.

I remember when I started playing in 2012 that the average number was 33k or so, at least 29k .
Some day, it went up to over 44k if I remember correctly.


Again, as for decline in number perhaps not being a potential problem or even, perhaps presenting an opportunity instead of simply not being a problem, or not presenting an opportunity, I again I'm not sure.

What if, say, those players were busy testing new waters for the EVE Online systems?
How many players worked on the EVE Valkyrie project, or even the other one with the turret gunner?
That may or may not account for a change in apparent displayed numbers.



Secondly,
The turning into rapid effect.
I would expect a certain amount of this to occur in any MMO.
Of course that can be controlled to be modified but the players choice still has a lot to do in that control percentage.

I am pretty sure that the number of player accounts logged in is related to the decision of players to log in.
They need to be able to acquire PLEx to get more game time (if they have the time for it),
or get covered game time for it otherwise.


I remember one other MMO last days where the numbers were much lesser than this game...
Of course, the life cycle of the system was already designed to end at that time though.
So their decline in numbers was not to be interpreted in the same way due to some different factors involved.


I think those numbers were player made, and when the source of those numbers decide the change, the output can be directly related.
It wasn't directly related in the sense that the numbers of players change, but the number of logged in player accounts was changed from the same source (at least partly so, since CCP keeps all rights in regards to their IP).

As mentioned before, the drop in subscriber numbers will be reverted and PCU will rise above all our expectations once the new player wave hits because of the Awox and Hyperdunk nerf. So we should all calm down

Out of curiosity, how long are you going to remain butthurt over those changes?

Searching for PCU, I found, EVE Online smashes PCU record during anniversary celebrations

Peak Concurrent User(s)

...
replacing 2011's record of 63,170 with a new figure of 65,303 players logged in simultaneously.


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MCT , Multiple -Character Training , doesn't allow to have those characters logged in at the same time.
Only one pilot per account can be logged in at the same time,
Additionally, only one trial account can be logged in at any time , and not while an activated account is logged in.

Multiple Activated Accounts can be logged in at the same time, but there are hardware processing limitation.

Multi-boxing can help to lessen the strain on hardware requirement, however, then the strain on the internet connection bandwidth occurs.


[SWG didn't allow to automate player accounts, but it had a way to code for automated processes to manufacture items.
I have never used those code, although that I could have tested them and programmed with them.
This would have allowed me to literally make droid factories as well as pretty much all of the other 3 types of manufacturing (architectural buildings; domestic food, drink and clothes, and armor and ammo).
There were other legal ways to create macros which would automate other functions of the game,
I again only used 2 or 3 extremely simple ones.
The reason being, I wanted to test how much work I could do without those more automated systems.]

Eve Online - Flight Of A Thousand Rifters III - 3000 Players In Huge Fight

Please do.

Back in 2012, EvE was epic... Many players, many backstabs, many fights, lots of random stuff... Now it has become a mechanical game where everything has a single purpose and you just need to play according to that. Many MMO's have come out since 2011-12 and most of them are successful. Even though EvE is "THE" oldest and the most content developed mmo out there, there seems to me something wrong... Personally speeking, it's the players causing the backfire. EvE is a player driven sandbox and what this means is that it's economy is very similar to real life economy... What this means is taht there will ALWAYS be inflation and money grind. Just like our ordinary jobs where we work most of the day and have a few hours at night to enjoy ourselves. It is quite say to know that withing those happy hours that we get every day, we must almost, always grind for isk wheter to fund out pvp (fun) addiction or simply our carebear ship and item collection... In order to repair this destructive nature of eve which is simply an electronic video game (and nothing else) CCP must do auite a bit of an oevrhaul... If CCP is happy with its current numbers and declining trend then they simply won't do anythig or just try to fool players with meaningless content such as Operation Frostline or stuff like that... But EvE players are too intelligent for that. I haven't really come accross any eve player that is actually stupid enough not to see at least a few of these facts... So my suggestion would be (As I have stated in the years passed):

-1- To completely remove the PLEX concept of the game and make it like WOW so CCP can fund its company vaults without the pressure of players that constantly grind to play the game free of charge. In return make isk making easy that players will not have to grind more that one hour a day to make 5-10 bil a month. If they prefer grinding 2, 3, 4 or even more hours they'll simply be making 50 bil a month and this will produce bling ship warfare and more fun because players will not be afraid of loosing a 1 bil boat because they can simply make it in one day or a few hours. I am not saying that players can't make that money now, but what I am saying is that it is hard to make that money if you haven't been playing for quite a while and you don't have the required investment to do so. Or CCP can simply impose a Universal Income policy where everyone is granted a basic 3 bil/month as income and on top players will have to just work to earn more.

* In relation to the point stated in topic 1 above, the subscription prices can be an average of what other mmo's impose and players with multiple accounts get discounts for secondi third, fourth etc. accounts respectively. For example the basic subscription can be 20 USD/month and the second account will be 15, the third 10 etc...

* Any serious player who plays this game will not be bothered with paying money on a monthly basis since it is what they like and what they do many many hours per week. Instead, it will create a diverse community with plenty of cash to do whatever they want so the eve community will grow just like wow's or guild wars 2's.

* The payers and CCP will be releaved of 'FREE GAMERS' who plex multiple accounts every month and cause a constant rise in plex prices and just play a superb game that takes a lot of money to maintain.

Of course these issues that I have mentioned require a serious overhaul and CCP, I think, is not willing to take such risks even though I think the outcome will be epic!

Respecst to all
Fly Dangerous o/

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