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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-12-12 05:44:12 UTC
106m isn't too bad as long as you don't lose the ship before you break even.

Would a rail talos fit work as well?

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Spcius Patrouette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2015-12-12 08:32:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Spcius Patrouette wrote:


I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.


This just goes to show, it's not just high sec people who completely lose the plot when it comes to balance.

I live in null, so that "lol you don't live in null" BS is just that, BS. I've used everything, afktars, FoF+drone ships like the rattlesnake, vindicators in serp and guristas space, carriers, and so on. My favorite is my Machariel

[Machariel, Angels Bane]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field
'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
Large Micro Jump Drive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

Gecko x1
Valkyrie II x4
Hornet EC-300 x5
Valkyrie II x1

I make good isk with it and it can do 10/10s, but I'm also risking something expensive to do it.

That mach costs 8 or 9 times as much as an afktar, but it sure as hell doesn't make 8 or 9 times as much (and i'm not saying it should). But the current anomaly situation is BS, those of us who go out and ACTIVELY rat only make a little more than the people who attach a 100mn AB to a HAC, launch drones and go do something else.

This has the affect of pumping wayyy to much isk into the economy (which s NOT BALANCED by the material sink of exploding ishtars and navy vexors, 3-4 hours of use and that afktar already paid for itself). What's even worse from my point of view is that it makes null sec look way richer than it is, giving ammunition to people in other parts of EVE to defend their unbalanced isk making activities.

Sorry, but if you want to make isk with a space ship in this game it's right that you should have to be somewhere near your keyboard to do it. At least with FoF missiles, if you go afk they run out and you make nothing.


Yeah... people joke about 'go do something else' but no one actually does that. You have to watch intel channels, watch local, watch for frigates and make sure they dont get a web on you. Meanwhile im running a salvager as well. I occaisionally get up for a few minutes to get a drink, and have a movie on in the background, but id like to see you come to provi and just drop an ishtar and come back in 40 minutes.
Spcius Patrouette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-12-12 08:35:38 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km?


I never let my drones get more than 25km away, and I watch them like a hawk. The first time I see agro shift, and then start seeing red on their shields is when I start pulling them back.


Jenn, I actually agree with you on the active gameplay stance. Which is why I have no problem for those rare hisec missioners who can get over 100mil an hour; because I know they are actively playing the game and putting forth a little effort to get those dividends.

Like those rare 'afktar' pilots that make more than 60m/hr because they too are sitting at their keyboard. no one actually gets up and leaves their pc, you still have to do work on them.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#64 - 2015-12-12 11:04:48 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Sorry, but if you want to make isk with a space ship in this game it's right that you should have to be somewhere near your keyboard to do it. At least with FoF missiles, if you go afk they run out and you make nothing.

Well said. AFK is for mining anyway...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
K Raz
Crysonian
#65 - 2015-12-12 11:13:12 UTC
There are a lot of "haha, your way of playing was changed, mine wasn't" in this thread which is pretty narrowminded.

It is about a somewhat major change to gameplay mechanics, affecting an entire line of ships and their primary weapon. This was not announced and no details/explanation can be found and the devs are silent. This may or may not be intended and people will adapt and overcome, so no need for the teenage attitudes.
Bulgr en Bauldry
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#66 - 2015-12-12 14:18:49 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.


There is little bit more space on the spectrum than full afk and drone aggro every 5 second. So i sense bitterness from someone who doesent use drones? Because lets be honest, drone aggro every 5 seconds is NOT normal and is miles apart from afk income.

I had no issues with sentry rattlesnake(well minor trouble due to getting blown up by hotdrop :P) in forsaken hubs. Been few days since i ratted tho. No ECM or other urbanlegendy modules fitted, not even a TP at that time.
Kasia Skywalker
CBC FORGE
Mostly Newbies
#67 - 2015-12-13 09:03:26 UTC
couple of things:
1st. Gaming afk means ppl should be off their keyboard - not that you should hide your drones every 5 sec to save them. And then pull them off ( this makes drone game content useless )
2nd. Making it randomly - some characters have this bug some don't - makes it bug!! not planed change!!
3d. CCP wanted ppl to have multiple account's, but now playing with ships like tengu not everyone can aford to menage multiple accounts.
4th. Every plex in game is counted. Even if there are ppl who have them 3000 or more there is limit to plexes. New plexes in game shows when someone buys them. So what if the person who have 3000 plexes buys them all cheeper and sells higher. If and IF only ppl stop playing multiple accounts, then market price of plex wind up much more because less players will buy plexes - much more means lose of players having multi acc, and this will led to circle. Higher plex price, lover players. And even if there will be new player who will buy plex and sell it 10 times higher price as its now ccp will lose ratio ( buying plex by cash - seling for isk ) lower count of ppl playing it's always bad for games like this!! SO CCP STOP MAKING PPL LEVE THIS GAME!! WE LOVE THIS GAME!!
5th. I won't lose much because I can work isk other ways but new players are in deep shi...
Mikadomea Sinklar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2015-12-13 10:36:01 UTC
I have the same issue regardless if i fly Anoms, DED, Beltrats, or Missions. As soon as my drones are out im completely ignored by the rets and my drones melt away.
Bulgr en Bauldry
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#69 - 2015-12-13 15:13:04 UTC
Kasia Skywalker wrote:
couple of things:
1st. Gaming afk means ppl should be off their keyboard - not that you should hide your drones every 5 sec to save them. And then pull them off ( this makes drone game content useless )
2nd. Making it randomly - some characters have this bug some don't - makes it bug!! not planed change!!
3d. CCP wanted ppl to have multiple account's, but now playing with ships like tengu not everyone can aford to menage multiple accounts.
4th. Every plex in game is counted. Even if there are ppl who have them 3000 or more there is limit to plexes. New plexes in game shows when someone buys them. So what if the person who have 3000 plexes buys them all cheeper and sells higher. If and IF only ppl stop playing multiple accounts, then market price of plex wind up much more because less players will buy plexes - much more means lose of players having multi acc, and this will led to circle. Higher plex price, lover players. And even if there will be new player who will buy plex and sell it 10 times higher price as its now ccp will lose ratio ( buying plex by cash - seling for isk ) lower count of ppl playing it's always bad for games like this!! SO CCP STOP MAKING PPL LEVE THIS GAME!! WE LOVE THIS GAME!!
5th. I won't lose much because I can work isk other ways but new players are in deep shi...


Im sorry but im quite sure your udnerstanding about economy is not correct. Plex prices would drop if there was less demand, aka less accounts and other game components that utilize plex. It is the high demand that drives the price up. Expanding on that logic, as long as plex price is on steady rise(not just inflating), EVE cant be dying, because obviously there are people out there creating that buy pressure.

The point about plex speculation is valid, alltho i doubt it involves too high part of plex market. Its too common and too expensive of a item to easily speculate with. Easiest form of speculation would in this case be simply buying more plex than needed in hopes of continued price rise, as many people did im sure.

ps. examples are cool, but are you anywhere close to buying 3k plexes, or know some1 who could? because i aint.
Kasia Skywalker
CBC FORGE
Mostly Newbies
#70 - 2015-12-13 21:32:57 UTC
3k nope but close to 1k yes
and to think im living from plex to plex :P
ps. after maintenance my chars are good as new. Well se later.
John'Doe the Second
SAS Veterinarians
#71 - 2015-12-13 23:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: John'Doe the Second
I have the same issues.

Last time I rat triple 11 hours to push the index from 2 to 4, all forsaken hubs, all fine.

Today, as soon as I let go with my mouse and drop the drones they get attacked. Lost multiple drones even by trying to stay close.
Tick dropped down to under 10 mil with my Ishtar char. Battlecruisers/Command ships and Battleships don't seem to have the issue - the occasional cruiser switching to drones is normal due to the size differences.

While writing this I lost another and 2 went into armor °°

Edit: Also BC rats switch away from BS to attack drones now - only cruiser rats did that before.
Ozka Omanid
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2015-12-13 23:58:47 UTC
I suspect this is a bug rather than an intended fix / nerf to drone ratting.

The reason I think this is because if I rat in one particular system then for the last 3 days, every time I launch drones, I lose aggro and they get shot. However, if I simply move nextdoor and do exactly the same thing, then I keep aggro and my drones are fine.

If I move back to the original system again, drones go back to getting shot.

Therefore I conclude its a bug.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2015-12-14 00:58:18 UTC
Question, do cruisers and up normally try to attack light drones? I was flinging some acolytes at some cruisers the other day in a serpentis site that I didn't need to scan down and they completely ignored my ship for the drones. From what I've been reading only frigates should be attacking light drones.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#74 - 2015-12-14 01:24:21 UTC
Ozka Omanid wrote:
I suspect this is a bug rather than an intended fix / nerf to drone ratting.

The reason I think this is because if I rat in one particular system then for the last 3 days, every time I launch drones, I lose aggro and they get shot. However, if I simply move nextdoor and do exactly the same thing, then I keep aggro and my drones are fine.

If I move back to the original system again, drones go back to getting shot.

Therefore I conclude its a bug.

I've heard this a few times, where some systems will be far more aggressive to drones than others. which would lead me to believe it isn't a patch specific problem, although perhaps something in the patch made it appear more frequent? or is it just a bit of randomness that happens on server startup?

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#75 - 2015-12-14 01:28:22 UTC
Linna Excel wrote:
Question, do cruisers and up normally try to attack light drones? I was flinging some acolytes at some cruisers the other day in a serpentis site that I didn't need to scan down and they completely ignored my ship for the drones. From what I've been reading only frigates should be attacking light drones.

typically no.

however if your light drones were out when the spawned it is possible they targeted your drones first and shot at them. NPC ai seems a bit wonky on if they attack the biggest or smallest thing in the room. Or if the npc cruisers didn't have any aggro it is possible the drones triggered new entity (aka npcs are set up to attack the second person to warp in or drones that get deployed) or proximity aggro (aka the drones just got too close to the target).

I wasn't playing much at the time but I remember reading that when CCP first launched drone aggro it was way too high and whole sites would focus on drones.

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Catalina Franklin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2015-12-14 07:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Catalina Franklin
Just to put my 2 cents in. Currently I have been running anomalies (Havens) with my dominix and I am having similar issues as those posting before me. I do not afk rat because I don't wish to lose a ship and also by being at the keyboard I can try to max out my isk/tick. Now the problem I am facing is that rats do agro almost immediately to my sentries. There has not been any way as far as I have seen to be able to mitigate this problem. Constantly switching sentries adds the possibility that I will lose one and also has had a 10mil isk impact on my ticks.

To those that seem to enjoy this change, I don't see you switching guns every time one gets shot. And I dont afk rat so if your problem is with that then move on because this is effecting more than those that do. I understand drone agro happens every once in a while usually but this is getting a bit ridiculous and very tedious to say the least.

Edit: Also I have tried picking up my drones just to see if I could get the rats to focus the dominix again. Usually, even when firing hybrids, it takes around 25 seconds before the rats even attempt to lock me again and as soon as drones are dropped they are right back off of me. This definitely seems like a bug and needs to be fixed.
Angelina Smart
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2015-12-14 07:11:07 UTC
Ozka Omanid wrote:
I suspect this is a bug rather than an intended fix / nerf to drone ratting.

The reason I think this is because if I rat in one particular system then for the last 3 days, every time I launch drones, I lose aggro and they get shot. However, if I simply move nextdoor and do exactly the same thing, then I keep aggro and my drones are fine.

If I move back to the original system again, drones go back to getting shot.

Therefore I conclude its a bug.


I experienced the same thing. I think its a bug too. but It is only happening to one of my toons.
John'Doe the Second
SAS Veterinarians
#78 - 2015-12-14 10:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: John'Doe the Second
It seems system related - yes; and in that context ... I had a couple of Frostline spawns in that system.

Could it be that this is related, wherever Frostline spawns it buggs the rats in that system.. or changes the rat AI ?!

It is a strange coincidence, but the system was fine before the beacons started spawning. Any observation on that, either confirmed or refuted ?

Edit: Still broken after DT, Frostline in system.

Edit 2: Frostline was all over the systems and I had the same issues there, found one system which (as far as I remember) had none in it and it is no problem with the Ishtar, no drone switch so far.

Frostline / Drone Bug relations hypothesis ... supported (needs more evidence and confirmation though)

Edit 3: Jumping back to the 'infected' system either resets the rats to normal or only Hubs which spawned during the Frostline event are affected.

All a non scientific theory though. What?

Cheers
Rayit
Akadeimia Keipouron SVK
Apocalypse Now.
#79 - 2015-12-14 20:57:44 UTC
Could I have a high slot EW weapon/tool that would allow me to take aggro from one drone? Stick 5 on my Dominix and I'm good to go?

Not ideal but balances things out a bit I guess. I just want to play Mothership some more. It's not about being AFK, I just enjoy being the big tanky boss that sends my minions out to do my work. Quite happy giving up turret slots and/or DPS as long as I don't have to play the frustrating drone micro game.
John'Doe the Second
SAS Veterinarians
#80 - 2015-12-14 21:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: John'Doe the Second
Rayit wrote:
Could I have a high slot EW .....


First thing I tried, doesn't work.

Have you tried leaving and entering the system like I did ? I ran a Forsaken Hub in a none Frostline System and it fixed it for me temporarily. Haven't logged in yet so see if it stuck.

Edit: Ran a few, still stays fixed.