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Srsly, something has to be done about incursions.

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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-01-08 14:18:58 UTC
And before you say hurr hurr isk/hr whore, I don't care how much money I make, I have so much more fun than VGfags, and we tend to do more stupid shit like this
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
#22 - 2012-01-08 15:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Syphon Lodian
adopt wrote:
And just to clarify, an experienced HQ fleet can make 150mil an hour, however, we are susceptible to losses, primarily logistics ships, with the occasional Battleship/T3 loss due to late broadcasts, and these tend to be people who haven't done a HQ before.

The most I made in an hour was 126mil isk + 28k LP


Is it just not possible to run Incursions with anything other than dyed in the wool Cruiser-class logistics? Is it possible to run a Battlecruiser or even a Battleship faux-logistics... or does it just not have enough rep output?

I feel like Cruiser-class logistics are just too expensive, like it needs better tank, or something.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-01-08 15:16:55 UTC
Replace ISK with (more) LP. Everyone wins.
Treks Shadow
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-01-08 15:36:00 UTC
everyday the same threads. im glad you guys spend 15 dollars a month to keep talking about the same stuff. day in day out month aftet month, year after year, priceless
Selinate
#25 - 2012-01-08 16:48:57 UTC
adopt wrote:
And before you say hurr hurr isk/hr *****, I don't care how much money I make, I have so much more fun than VGfags, and we tend to do more stupid shit like this


I want to fly assaults/HQ's, but have trouble finding fleets for them because sometimes a fleet isn't even up for either. That, or the fleet is a shield fleet, and my shield skills aren't good enough to do that yet.

But really, assaults/HQ's litter the systems that contain them and half the time, no one is running them. They're all running vanguards. Usually they're all in legions. Something is broken with this.
Selinate
#26 - 2012-01-08 16:50:35 UTC
Treks Shadow wrote:
everyday the same threads. im glad you guys spend 15 dollars a month to keep talking about the same stuff. day in day out month aftet month, year after year, priceless


....you mean like you? Since the same thing has been posted once or twice in this thread already?

Really, you should reconsider your priorities if you pay 15$ a month just to access the forums...
Ira Theos
#27 - 2012-01-08 16:57:33 UTC
met worst wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
...Cowards stay in highsec...

If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.



Unfortunately for the gaming community, there are internet links in countries where many more will eagerly settle for the position of bleating sheep. The really sad fact is that right here in the developed world we have many players who are too stupid or just plain ignorant to understand the meaning of your post.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-01-08 17:45:21 UTC
met worst wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
...Cowards stay in highsec...

If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.


For some people the choice is: be a bleating sheep, or a principled starving homeless man. It is nice to have priciples when you are fat, happy, and have a roof over your head.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
okst666
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-01-08 17:55:34 UTC
Klown Walk wrote:
You can make that amount of isk in a t1 frigate in low sec with abit of luck.


In an incursion you do not even need luck...just a few basilisks and 3 battleships will do.


But there are 2 other MAJOR Problems with incursions.

a) It takes ages to find a fleet

b) There are way to less Vanguards for all the people who want to fly them...An Incursion-System easily goes up to 400 people in lots of fleets and you warp from site to site only to see it is allready occupied... once you find a free one, you might be lucky and be able to do it uncontested... But most of the time some idiots think it is funny to contest and shoot the targets.

[X] < Nail here for new monitor
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#30 - 2012-01-08 17:56:34 UTC
LOL, yes low sec alt, CCP should nerf high sec incursions so you have an advantage.

Lets also be very clear.

There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE

Say it with me?

You can or you can't. Plain and ******* simple. Once you know how to do something you can do it a million times. It's the flaw of computer code. There is nothing CCP can do about it. Stop crying

High sec ISK farmers will still sit in high sec and farm ISK. They won't come to low sec and be your cow. They are Alts, you know that, I know that. Likely Alts from your own alliances, deal with it.
adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-01-08 19:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Ocih wrote:
LOL, yes low sec alt, CCP should nerf high sec incursions so you have an advantage.

Lets also be very clear.

There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE
There is no hard in EVE

Say it with me?

You can or you can't. Plain and ******* simple. Once you know how to do something you can do it a million times. It's the flaw of computer code. There is nothing CCP can do about it. Stop crying

High sec ISK farmers will still sit in high sec and farm ISK. They won't come to low sec and be your cow. They are Alts, you know that, I know that. Likely Alts from your own alliances, deal with it.


I use my multitude of alts to run both hisec/lowsec/nullsec incursions, I actively PVP. I *used* to solely run incursions but it got boring so I use my alts for earning isk and I pvp on this toon. Not everyone's cup of tea is low/null sec, only those with competence can actually survive there. So can you stop complaining hurr hurr nerf incursions, if you do not know a damned thing about them.

Edit: Inappropriate language removed, CCP Phantom.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-01-08 21:22:59 UTC
100mill in an hour is not much. you should trying doing nullsec exploration. lots of risk, but you make way more than that. Smile
Jenshae Chiroptera
#33 - 2012-01-08 22:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Test / goons can be seen running low sec incursions. These incursions are normally run without issue.

Occasionally the test guys fall for a tarp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdWzTcPiMqI
They are getting wise now though :)

Take 7 zealots and 3 guards and they will prob not bother you. and most small gangs shouldnt be a worry. And scout. 15mil every 6 minutes on vanguards. That is pretty good isk.


I didn't get that video. It was just some things flashing on over view, a one sided conversation and some flashing and sparkling graphics effects.

I wish more people would voice over with commentary or explanations like some of the Rooks and Kings videos. Those are well done.

Falin Whalen wrote:
met worst wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
...Cowards stay in highsec...

If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.


For some people the choice is: be a bleating sheep, or a principled starving homeless man. It is nice to have priciples when you are fat, happy, and have a roof over your head.


When change comes from the bottom it usually results in blood shed.

One way to help the poor would be to introduce a stipend that they get for the rest of their lives if a couple voluntarily present themselves for sterilisation after their first two children. This would help to keep the population stable, "consolidate" it if you will, put more money into the hands of the poor to feed and educate their children, whilst taking pressure of the government and having less mouths for them to feed.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ira Theos
#34 - 2012-01-09 00:55:47 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
met worst wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
...Cowards stay in highsec...

If the choice is between being a coward in highsec (and my own boss) or a sheep bleating for their supper working for an RMT lord, I know what I'd rather be.


For some people the choice is: be a bleating sheep, or a principled starving homeless man. It is nice to have priciples when you are fat, happy, and have a roof over your head.


Maybe so, but if that is your choice, you are still a bleating sheep, and that is all.
Ghoest
#35 - 2012-01-09 03:30:39 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Some people run low sec incursions because they enjoy the opportunity for PVP that they present. Cowards stay in high sec with the rest of the scrubs.

If you think there is too much money to be made, or too many people running them then do something different. It's rather hypocritical to complain about how much money they make when you happily run them yourself. I assume you are complaining about the ISK rewarded, your rant was pretty incoherent.



You have made the common mistake of conflating bravery with stupidity and thrill seeking.

Please go wash your brain out with harsh soap.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#36 - 2012-01-09 03:57:32 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Some people run low sec incursions because they enjoy the opportunity for PVP that they present. Cowards stay in high sec with the rest of the scrubs.

If you think there is too much money to be made, or too many people running them then do something different. It's rather hypocritical to complain about how much money they make when you happily run them yourself. I assume you are complaining about the ISK rewarded, your rant was pretty incoherent.


Nope, I can equate the rant to a man that after selling his body made more in an hour of anal sex than what he did in an honest , tax paying job in a month, and felt dirty yet oddly aroused but angry at the stupidity of normal societal conventions plus the clash between internal moral compass versus pragmatism.

You can call it guilt in some, righteous anger or primal instincts in others. I equate it to the moment Kirk was in the Nexus and said "It's not real". There was no challenge or at least an amount of danger or any feeling of accomplishment or any sense whatsoever of anything.

Some people proceed to sell their bodies for the rest of their lives, others see the stupidity of complacency and self limits and vent their anger loudly and like Kirk decided to leave the Nexus forever even if it meant his death, because he died doing something actually challenging and REAL (to him anyway)

It has nothing to do with PVP, it's about the absurdity of how pay rates are in Hi sec yet low sec is almost the same, it's not logical and not well thought out, it doesnt escalate and shows a broken mechanic that annoys some people due to their very own psychological quirks.

Other people actually just like gaining the LOL-ISK like that in Hi-Sec and happily gobble up the Iskies.

Don't blame him/her/it , blame CCP.

Also reflect on the possibility CCP actually wants people with LOL isk to make them purchase more and more plex since perhaps they discovered they make more selling plexes than flat out sub rates.

If that happens to be true, then dont blame CCP, congratulate them on finding a way of earning more RL money.

Anyway, I like apple pie.

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Barakkus
#37 - 2012-01-09 16:29:38 UTC
okst666 wrote:
Klown Walk wrote:
You can make that amount of isk in a t1 frigate in low sec with abit of luck.


In an incursion you do not even need luck...just a few basilisks and 3 battleships will do.


But there are 2 other MAJOR Problems with incursions.

a) It takes ages to find a fleet

b) There are way to less Vanguards for all the people who want to fly them...An Incursion-System easily goes up to 400 people in lots of fleets and you warp from site to site only to see it is allready occupied... once you find a free one, you might be lucky and be able to do it uncontested... But most of the time some idiots think it is funny to contest and shoot the targets.



These are all personal problems, they aren't issues for people that actually do something about it.

Selinate wrote:

I want to fly assaults/HQ's, but have trouble finding fleets for them because sometimes a fleet isn't even up for either. That, or the fleet is a shield fleet, and my shield skills aren't good enough to do that yet.


So train to shield tank and stop whining.


Hungry Eyes wrote:
100mill in an hour is not much. you should trying doing nullsec exploration. lots of risk, but you make way more than that. Smile


This ^^, a friend of mine has been doing null sec sites lately with one or two other people and making a couple bill for a few hours worth of work. Incursions pale in comparison to isk/hr.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-01-09 17:16:32 UTC
If i get 1 isk everytime there is a nerf incursion thread I'd be richer than Chribba
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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#39 - 2012-01-09 17:44:50 UTC
Confirming a slow hand clap for the current situation of hisec war-decs combined with the ISK-printing machine that is Vanguards.

CCP should start jumping some staff-piloted Revnants in to reap some Mach / Vindi tears. I hear they are sweet.

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Barakkus
#40 - 2012-01-09 18:03:36 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Confirming a slow hand clap for the current situation of hisec war-decs combined with the ISK-printing machine that is Vanguards.

CCP should start jumping some staff-piloted Revnants in to reap some Mach / Vindi tears. I hear they are sweet.


Now that you mention it, I haven't heard anything about live events jumping in on incursions anymore. There were quite a few over the summer where GMs would all of a sudden appear in sites with their cap ships.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc