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Yet Another Rattlesnake for Lev 4s

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Curossa Carmalyne
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-12-11 06:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Curossa Carmalyne
Sorry Peeps, I've seen the other Lev 4 Rattlesnakes fits posted in these threads but couldn't find a fit to my liking. My drones skills are maxed with access to T2 Sentries (no Heavies) and my missiles skills are 85% maxed with access to T2 Cruises. Would go with an active shield tank fit but since I'm planning to use these beasts for C3s in the future, I wanted to test out some passive shield tanking setups I've conjured up. Would like some constructive feedback on the efficiency of this passive Rattler fit for running lev 4 missions for SOE and Amarr. The Adaptive Invulnerability Field II would be removed of course for another shield amp when doing C3s, so no worries there. Also I'll be dual boxing 2 chars with the same skill sets and fits.

Highs
Cruise Missile Launcher II ~ Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missiles @ 148km
Cruise Missile Launcher II ~ Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missiles @ 148km
Cruise Missile Launcher II ~ Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missiles @ 148km
Cruise Missile Launcher II ~ Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missiles @ 148km
Cruise Missile Launcher II ~ Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missiles @ 148km
Drone Link Augmentor II

Mids
Gist X-Type 100MN AB
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II ~ (Optimal/Gardes,Curators) (Tracking/Wardens)
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II ~ (Optimal/Gardes,Curators) (Tracking/Wardens)

Lows
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rigs
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

Drones
2XCuratorII
2xGarde II
2x Warden II

Implants
Snapshot Cruise Missiles CM-603
Shield Managament SM-703
Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link
Shield Operation SP-903
Rapid Launch RL-1005

Stats
Cap Stability last 15min with everything running
Shield Resist Profile 71 77 77 72 ( with Siege/Skirmish Links 75 80 80 78)
Tank 392 dps Passive tank ( with Siege/Skirmish Links 469 dps Passive Tank)
Sig 535 ( with Siege/Skirmish Links 358)
Speed 354 m/s (with Siege/Skirmish Links 453 m/s)
Warp Speed 2 AU/s
DPS Cruise Missiles 423 dps
2XCuratorII ~ with 2xOptimal Scripts @68.2km + 19.7km = 608 dps
2xGarde II ~ with 2xOptimal Scripts @29.2km + 49.2km = 648 dps
2x Warden II ~ with 2xTracking Scripts @75km + 42km = 549 dps
Keldorn Corbec
First.and.Only
#2 - 2015-12-11 07:57:27 UTC
I dont like passiv. You lose to much damage without DDA.
This fit feels like a passiv but with DDA.

Without AB cap stable.
Resist fittet against Sansha/Bloodraider = 450 dps tank

Fitting is dirty cheap: 288M

[Rattlesnake, L4 Missioner]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Curator II x2
Gecko x1
Curossa Carmalyne
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-12-11 08:18:21 UTC
Keldorn Corbec wrote:
I dont like passiv. You lose to much damage without DDA.
This fit feels like a passiv but with DDA.

Without AB cap stable.
Resist fittet against Sansha/Bloodraider = 450 dps tank

Fitting is dirty cheap: 288M

[Rattlesnake, L4 Missioner]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Curator II x2
Gecko x1


Hmm?? This fit is inferior to my fit by a pretty good margin. I see no reason to fly this over my fit.

Try giving better advice after you've sobered up please!


Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#4 - 2015-12-11 10:54:07 UTC
Curossa Carmalyne wrote:
Would like some constructive feedback on the efficiency of this passive Rattler fit for running lev 4 missions for SOE and Amarr.

If you have your heart set on a passive shield fit, my advice is to switch to rapid heavy missile launchers and utilize them for smaller targets (frigates, destroyers and cruisers).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Curossa Carmalyne
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-12-11 12:27:59 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Curossa Carmalyne wrote:
Would like some constructive feedback on the efficiency of this passive Rattler fit for running lev 4 missions for SOE and Amarr.

If you have your heart set on a passive shield fit, my advice is to switch to rapid heavy missile launchers and utilize them for smaller targets (frigates, destroyers and cruisers).


I detect some slight implications from this post saying that passive tanking the Rattlesnakes is no good for lev 4's. Is this truly the cast? If so, what fit do you recommend?

Also why refer to the Rapid Heavies over Cruises? I'm worried about falling asleep during the 35 sec missile reload times...
Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-12-11 12:36:00 UTC
Curossa Carmalyne wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Curossa Carmalyne wrote:
Would like some constructive feedback on the efficiency of this passive Rattler fit for running lev 4 missions for SOE and Amarr.

If you have your heart set on a passive shield fit, my advice is to switch to rapid heavy missile launchers and utilize them for smaller targets (frigates, destroyers and cruisers).


I detect some slight implications from this post saying that passive tanking the Rattlesnakes is no good for lev 4's. Is this truly the cast? If so, what fit do you recommend?

Also why refer to the Rapid Heavies over Cruises? I'm worried about falling asleep during the 35 sec missile reload times...


Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Flux Coil II
Shield Flux Coil II

500 NM Microwarodrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Core Defense Purger II
Large Core Defense Purger II
Large Core Defense Purger II

Caldari Navy Warden x 2
Gecko x 1
Hobgoblin x 5

Caldari Navy Inferno/Scourge Heavy Missiles 2 x 3000
Inferno/Scourge Fury Missiles 2 x 1000

With moderate weapon/drone skills: distance 55(m)-72(d), damage (round):
Weapon /DPS/ /DPS w Reload/ /vs Battleships/ /vs Cruisers/ /vs Frigates/

Missiles (f) + Gecko: 1350 1120 950 720 550;
Missiles (f) + Warden: 1150 920 800 550 400.

With Shields (4) and G, C BS (4) defense (round): 100,000 EHP; 450 uniform EHP/s; Shield 118 HP/s;
Shield Resists (round) 70, 70, 75, 80

Mobility: 850 m/s for 6 m; all ON: last 4 m; 2 x AIF only: cap stable.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2015-12-11 20:18:02 UTC
Curossa Carmalyne wrote:
I detect some slight implications from this post saying that passive tanking the Rattlesnakes is no good for lev 4's. Is this truly the cast? If so, what fit do you recommend?

Also why refer to the Rapid Heavies over Cruises? I'm worried about falling asleep during the 35 sec missile reload times...

Well, the big thing with passive tanking is you give up a huge amount of DPS and damage application - which kind of defeats the purpose of the Rattlesnake. What I like about RHMLs is that you can load them with FoF missiles and they will take out anything within range. Damage application is also relatively decent so you don't need rigors, flares or any of the missile guidance systems. Here's what I like to include with my Rattlesnake fits.

5x Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno auto-targeting missiles
Drone Link Augmentor II
500MN Microwarpdrive
1-2 Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Micro Jump Drive
3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
2x Ballistic Control Unit II (you almost get no benefit from a 3rd BCU with RHMLs)
2x Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II (more range, and faster missiles = less lost volleys)
1x Large Hyperspacial Velocity Optimizer II

The rest is basically personal preference, but there are a few options with the lows and mids.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-12-11 20:30:31 UTC
Curossa Carmalyne wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Curossa Carmalyne wrote:
Would like some constructive feedback on the efficiency of this passive Rattler fit for running lev 4 missions for SOE and Amarr.

If you have your heart set on a passive shield fit, my advice is to switch to rapid heavy missile launchers and utilize them for smaller targets (frigates, destroyers and cruisers).


I detect some slight implications from this post saying that passive tanking the Rattlesnakes is no good for lev 4's. Is this truly the cast? If so, what fit do you recommend?

Also why refer to the Rapid Heavies over Cruises? I'm worried about falling asleep during the 35 sec missile reload times...

I like this fit https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6216212#post6216212

although I'd probably drop a few of the tank mids for a painter and a omnidirectional tracking link or two.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter