Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Im probaly going to get beaten over the head for saying this!
But to me it seems like pasive shield tanking is ninsane comparde to all other forms of tanking!
First off it does requirer any energi at all... so you can not bring them down by energi drain!
meaning that they don't have any "weak spots"
secondly they have the highest defensively capacty off all the tanking methoed, no other shipt with compareble gear
are near as hard to take out!
Recap: no weakspots + strongest defence by far!
Yes i know i takes up a lot fo slot and only works very well on certan ships, but still!
try taking out a fully tanked Scorbion (NB only fitted whit T2 gear) it's frigging imposible unless you have an army!
or cappital ship!

maybi make a sulution were it takes up fewer slots but only works well as subliment to shield bosting,
in any case pasive shield tanking should never be as effektive as active, since it does have any week spots!

Hope for a probber response and not just "you frigging noob, i hate you!" response

Hmmm a fair price for beeing close to imortal, sure warp scarbles are sweet when the enemy has run away, but what if that it's an option.. like say when defending you pos, fleeing there will just end you up loosing you pos!
+ yes in open space pvp you can't stop you enemy from running like a chicken coward mutt, with no honnor!
but he can't take you out and leaves him whit on other options the to run like a dog! leaving the shield tank with the victory again!

A capless passive tank is weak compared to a cap-using tank, and the tank itself makes the ship vulnerable to cap warfare.

To be made as strong as you say, it also completely robs the ship of any offensive and utility capabilities to speak of, and it is still fairly easy to kill.

So they're almost entirely harmless except as bait (in which case it's not the PST ship that is the problem).

actually...yeah you need an army. More then 5 ships since thats what it can jam based on most ecm fittings I see on their fits. You shuold be happy you are seeing bait scorpions....you can actually shoot them. ECm ones more annoying. Done right and not enough numbers, you get very few if any shots on them.

^^^^^ that. And most likely you where not fighting a scorp. You where most likely fighting a rattlesnake.

You use exclamation marks a lot. Its kinda annoying. I feel like you are yelling at us with every sentence.

Oh and...

you frigging noob, i hate you!

ps: passive shield tanks are lol

No, that's 429 after resists. And it does a whopping 202 DPS with T2 cruise missiles and rails. Both stats with All Vs skills.

For a point of comparison, the Mael I tossed together last night to run missions with T1 weapons and my mostly crappy skills does 518 DPS and can permatank 360 DPS omni. (706 DPS and 430 tank with All Vs) I would love to go up against that Scorp.

Long story short, you're vastly overestimating passive tanks. They're good in their niche (mostly PvE), but they're not OP in the slightest. Also, work on your spelling and grammar, it's atrocious.

[Hurricane, Shield Gank (3 gyro)]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Scrambler II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

753 DPS, most of it explosive, that Scorpion's weakest resist.

But wait, it has to tank that Scorpion while it kills it right?

[Cyclone, AST LSB (gank)]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Valkyrie II x3
Warrior II x2

584 DPS, but will comfortably tank that Scorpion's anemic DPS with only a std blue pill, no links or crystals required.

It is not just shields, but buffers in general that needs to be revised. We have tons of modules and skills dedicated to the active tank but since it is woefully inadequate outside of carebear activities they a useless for almost all pew'ers.

Unfortunately the viability of active tanking in PvP is dependent on CCPs ability to cook up some mechanic that doesn't scale ad infinitum so that blobs become the exception and not the rule .. but that removes sand from the box making it less fun overall.

A pure passive tank has one other disadvantage: no overloading. There is nothing you can do if things get bad. A hybrid passive tank can overload resistance modules, but then you are highly vulnerable to cap neutralizers. Even an Invulnerability Field module is much weaker without cap (which is a part of the balancing).

Furthermore, consider that there are two ways to passively tank:
1) Load up on shield HP
2) Maximize the recharge rate

Each has strengths and weaknesses. Going for straight HP has a lower repair rate but higher alpha survivability. Going for max repair rate can handle more DPS but now it is susceptible to a high alpha strike. It never is impervious.

Pure passive tanks, hybrid passive tanks, buffer passive tanks, recharge passive tanks… there is a lot of balancing going on here. It extends to advantages and disadvantages in 1-on-1 fights vs. group skirmishes of various scales. This does not have to be identical to be balanced.

All this doesn't even factor in what others have stated (PvP/damage/speed modules, etc.) which would weaken the tank.

If you can get a passive tank to around 30% w/o overheating modules, overheating them briefly should break the tank. A neutralizer may help. The trick is to wait for the opportune moment. >;]