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Navy Vexor, does it have a niche?
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2012-01-08 04:27:00 UTC
I have had one kicking around in my hangars for years.
It is a beautiful looking ship, and on paper at least, a fantastic knife fighter.

But ingame, does its DPS justify its cost and the fact we are talking blasters/drones?
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#2 - 2012-01-08 05:36:55 UTC
Warp to target at 0, **** its face with fire.

Should be better now with the hybrid buff.

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
vorneus
Hub2
#3 - 2012-01-08 12:14:00 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
Warp to target at 0, **** its face with fire.

Should be better now with the hybrid buff.


To be honest, with the prevalence and power of battlecruisers you're best leaving it in your hangar and taking out a regular Vexor.

Fit 2-3 Vexors, go out hunting, and see how easy it is to get caught on a gate in lowsec with an armor tanked cruiser. Then decide whether it's a good idea to take out what is essentially the same ship with an extra drone and about 10x the price tag.

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-01-08 12:28:20 UTC
vorneus wrote:
Then decide whether it's a good idea to take out what is essentially the same ship with an extra drone and about 10x the price tag.


Can drop 4 sentry drones and has the +50% hp buff all navy/faction ships have, slot layout is pretty good to. You get what you pay for in the case of the Navy Vexor and for only 55k LP in the FW store, you can get them pretty cheap if you have contacts.

I lied :o
vorneus
Hub2
#5 - 2012-01-08 13:27:00 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
vorneus wrote:
Then decide whether it's a good idea to take out what is essentially the same ship with an extra drone and about 10x the price tag.


Can drop 4 sentry drones and has the +50% hp buff all navy/faction ships have, slot layout is pretty good to. You get what you pay for in the case of the Navy Vexor and for only 55k LP in the FW store, you can get them pretty cheap if you have contacts.


My point was more of a practical one. You're just listing stats here, which is fair enough, but in real world scenarios it's too slow to effectively GTFO when necessary, a nano cane will still catch it and kill it, it won't escape a BC gatecamp, a Drake will still force it to warp away, any BC will still beat it in a brawl, etc. It's just an expensive loss waiting to happen really.

My suggestion is to buy regular Vexors, fit them as you would a Navy Vex (with 3 sentries and flight of lights if that's your bag) and see how well it does.

If after losing those Vexors you think that you would've done much better and lived had you had an extra sentry, low and turret hardpoint or more EHP, then sure fly your Navy Vex. I bet you won't though.

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#6 - 2012-01-08 16:20:14 UTC
I am afraid that the Ishtar makes the Navy Vexor somewhat washy.

Navy Vexor has good hp and slightly different combat stance given its high slots compared to the Ishtar, however, the Ishtar can field 5 large drones and with the use of an EM and EXP hardener has an epic resist profile.

In a fleet you will prefer the high resists of the Ishtar and solo your Navy Vexor will be a shiney kill mail brick.

I'd save it for a Friday-night-after-pub-lol-fleet or sell it.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#7 - 2012-01-08 17:13:46 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
I am afraid that the Ishtar makes the Navy Vexor somewhat washy.

Navy Vexor has good hp and slightly different combat stance given its high slots compared to the Ishtar, however, the Ishtar can field 5 large drones and with the use of an EM and EXP hardener has an epic resist profile.

In a fleet you will prefer the high resists of the Ishtar and solo your Navy Vexor will be a shiney kill mail brick.

I'd save it for a Friday-night-after-pub-lol-fleet or sell it.


Yeah, the Ishtar no question is a superior ship in most virtually all respects.
It should, since it is T2.

I guess it really boils down to a cost/ survivability/ fun factor.
The Navy Vexor no doubt can bring the pain in a small gang fleet, but relies on others for the tackle and repping.

From the sounds of the responses here, there is just not enough practicality in the hull.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#8 - 2012-01-08 21:55:19 UTC
I don't think the ship is really the best at anything, but friends have used it with some success. They used medium drones and would switch types if one damage type seemed ineffective. The slots are its real advantage: plenty of mid and low. It also reminds me of the old Thorax back when it could use mad heavy drones (pre-drone nerf/buff).

I would think you could buffer tank a ship like this with good results. Use it as a dedicated damage dealer with a fleet booster to get the most out of the tank. Implants would be very beneficial in that scenario.

For PvE, it would out damage a Mymidon for L3s. It’s cheaper and a lot easier to train for than a Ishkur, which is better.
Dr Roth
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-08 23:48:56 UTC
What would you guys say for training for a Gila vs a Navy Vexor for mission running?
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-01-08 23:51:04 UTC
Dr Roth wrote:
What would you guys say for training for a Gila vs a Navy Vexor for mission running?


Gila vs Navy vexor for missions?

Do you even need to ask?
Dr Roth
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-01-08 23:56:58 UTC
Max Von Sydow wrote:
Dr Roth wrote:
What would you guys say for training for a Gila vs a Navy Vexor for mission running?


Gila vs Navy vexor for missions?

Do you even need to ask?

Yes, I do apparently. Let me do some EFT warrioring with the Gila, never tried it before.
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-01-08 23:58:36 UTC
Dr Roth wrote:
Max Von Sydow wrote:
Dr Roth wrote:
What would you guys say for training for a Gila vs a Navy Vexor for mission running?


Gila vs Navy vexor for missions?

Do you even need to ask?

Yes, I do apparently. Let me do some EFT warrioring with the Gila, never tried it before.


Well, the gila pretty much combines the tank of a drake, with the drone dps of a dominix and the speed/sig of a cruiser.
Dr Roth
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-01-09 00:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Roth
My, my... and here I was thinking the Rattler was so cool.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-09 06:53:07 UTC
i love my navy vex, and i wanna get it blown up soon. you can fit it with a 60k EHP tank and light neutrons + heavy electrons. or 800dps with about 40k EHP. i like using 4 sentries to do some dps past 5km. Roll you can also try a dual 150mm fit with sentries to do about 500dps at 30km, but you'll be a brick.

ive tried just about everything, and the truth of it is, the ship sucks because it's way too slow. you cant shield fit it. it's as slow as a BC with 3 trimarks.

Ishtar is also a pretty bad ship to fly in pvp. you can try it in an AHAC gang with plates and sentries, but you probably wont be able to scoop your drones back up. Deimos works better in AHAC gangs.

i fly the nano Gila because it works. 75k EHP, 600dps, 2km/s without heat. the Ishtar cant do this.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#15 - 2012-01-09 10:40:31 UTC
Dr Roth wrote:
My, my... and here I was thinking the Rattler was so cool.


Gila also makes a nice PvP ship in various forums. Whilst a shield/nano Ishtar is slightly fast, the Gila outperforms shield-Ishtar in all other areas.

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Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#16 - 2012-01-09 12:03:58 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Dr Roth wrote:
My, my... and here I was thinking the Rattler was so cool.


Gila also makes a nice PvP ship in various forums. Whilst a shield/nano Ishtar is slightly fast, the Gila outperforms shield-Ishtar in all other areas.


ibtd. The Gila ist ugly as hell ;-)

scnr.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-01-09 12:21:59 UTC
i like it.
river Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-01-10 01:59:49 UTC
moa hull is pure awsome
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#19 - 2012-01-10 04:53:44 UTC
The ishtar is superior to the navy vexor but it also costs twice as much. Is the ishtar twice as good? No, it isn't. It's a little better, not a lot better. From a cost effectiveness standpoint, both are good choices. I guess it comes down to how much risk you want to take. If you're in a leeroy gang (or solo), the navy vexor is pretty good. If you're going for low risk pvp, the ishtar is probably the better choice. Things shift dramatically in favor of the navy vexor if you are in the gallante militia since they basically get them for the price of the base t1 hull. 5M isk for an almost-ishtar is a pretty good deal imho.Cool

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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#20 - 2012-01-10 06:52:43 UTC
Ya it has a nitche, it's better than a Vexor. Its price is good for a 5/4/5, 100 bandwith and its EPH. Dose the same things a vexor dose.
I fly a Gila personally but I bet with a passive shield tank, nano, rails, and large drones you could very well swoop in drop drones coast to beyond web-range and kite them down.
No point comparing it to an Ishtar or a Gila, its not the same meta or cost or skill requirement. It is what it is.

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