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What Dust needs to beat.
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#1 - 2012-01-08 13:18:44 UTC
http://youtu.be/rUeRQSRMiFc

The other really funny thing is that PS4 gets announced this year, should of made if for PC CCP.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-08 13:30:21 UTC
There's always the possibility of a hastily thrown together, bug-addled port after they fail to make the oodles of cash from micro-trans guns and armor. Failing to hit projections makes bankers frown at you. There's no scarier sight to a business owner than his banker frowning at him.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#3 - 2012-01-08 13:30:36 UTC
Announced this year, sure. How long until it is released and then how long until good games get made for it?
CCP could try making a Dust version for PS4.

Why do I keep seeing EVE players make that comment about how they should make Dust for PC? I thought they were trying to get a different market. Not just the same people who play EVE playing Dust.
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-01-08 13:37:51 UTC
if they plan on maintaining a link then perhaps dust will morph with the new platforms, as eve does with new pc components.

but maybe thats just too much logic for a sunday.
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#5 - 2012-01-08 13:42:59 UTC
Porting a PS3 game to PC is not a simple at all.
Ann133566
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-08 13:47:57 UTC
On the subject of the PS4. I gotta admit and a bit confused on why they are making it it. I've seen not great leaps in technology or anything to justify realeasing a new console. Or am I wrong?
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#7 - 2012-01-08 13:51:08 UTC
Ann133566 wrote:
On the subject of the PS4. I gotta admit and a bit confused on why they are making it it. I've seen not great leaps in technology or anything to justify realeasing a new console. Or am I wrong?


The main thing is to respond to the new Xbox being announced this year.

Also with fab technology getting better they can up the core count on the Cell if they want, can also increase memory speed and amount.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-08 14:25:38 UTC
F2P crap

Well, it's still better than pay-to-play with MT.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#9 - 2012-01-08 14:27:26 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
F2P crap

Well, it's still better than pay-to-play with MT.


Free 2 play??? Didn't think it was that... oh God CCP what have you done!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2012-01-08 14:37:33 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
F2P crap

Well, it's still better than pay-to-play with MT.
Going by what's been said so far, they're going for the same kind of scheme as Dust: F2P + MT for certain equipment and services. There's also been this interesting rumour that PS2 will offer a subscription option as well, presumably to simply get it all and not have to worry/care about the MT part.
Julyan Fox
The crossroad Co.
#11 - 2012-01-08 15:54:43 UTC
Sony recently stated that the ps3 was in the middle of it's lifespawn.

Also being an exclusivity doesn't mean CCP won't release it for other supports later.

I just hope if dust is a failure it won't bring down eve.
Oberine Noriepa
#12 - 2012-01-08 15:57:20 UTC
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:
http://youtu.be/rUeRQSRMiFc

The other really funny thing is that PS4 gets announced this year, should of made if for PC CCP.

A PlayStation 4 announcement hasn't been confirmed by anyone. Also, CCP is making Dust 514 for future generation hardware, so if you're under the impression that Dust is going to be a PS3 only title, don't be.

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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#13 - 2012-01-08 15:59:43 UTC
The PS4 will have to release with in a year or two of the next Xbox. Microsoft look really solid with their new approach to shared core components across systems. Sony will need to have a super strong product to compete anywhere other then Japan.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#14 - 2012-01-08 16:04:34 UTC
http://www.dust514.org/component/content/article/34-news/61-dust-514-to-use-unreal-engine-3

Well the Unreal 3 engine is probably the easiest to develop on at the moment across all platforms so I imagine porting it across wouldn't be really hard.

However if I remember correctly the issue with Microsoft is that they will not allow MT or something like that in game on Xbox Live. Not sure if that would block it completely though.

To be honest I would say the Xbox users are a better fit for Dust 514 compared to Playstation owners.
Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
#15 - 2012-01-08 16:33:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimi Crackcorn
I'm actually pretty sure they need to beat CoD.. just like every other failed shooter that devs attempt to make. Not that CoDs a GOOD shooter, just the one to beat, always. The only way Dust will prosper(that's if it actually turns into more than vaporware) is to get into the wallets of all those CoD kids' parents.

That's the ONLY way, which is CCP aren't targeting the Eve playerbase with this game, which has caused much QQ on the forums.

I seriously doubt Dust will be anything more than vaporware though.

1. CCP isn't well known, and what they are known for isn't exactly good customer service.

2. CCP's already broke, good luck with the marketing.

3. CCP is trying to make a game in an already well developed genre. There are plenty of way more experienced candidates in this area. CCP is going to be way behind experience wise. They're like the skinny pale nerd going to the gym for the first time.

4. Console shooters blow, especially for pay content? Here's what FPS players like to buy, new maps. However with dust he general consensus on the forums is that you will BUY ******* EVERYTHING, to bring CCP out of the hole.


CCP is asking for something unheard of in a genre of game they know nothing about. Not to mention integrating it with eve? All I can say is good luck. If they do actually get into the production phase, the only people I can see buying it are diehard Eve fans and the few random kids who see it at the pawn shop.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-01-08 16:41:42 UTC
Jimi Crackcorn wrote:
I'm actually pretty sure they need to beat CoD.
It's not really the same genre, nor is it something that needs to be “beaten”.

The only game that properly competes with what Dust is trying to do is Planetside.
Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
#17 - 2012-01-08 16:45:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimi Crackcorn
Tippia wrote:
Jimi Crackcorn wrote:
I'm actually pretty sure they need to beat CoD.
It's not really the same genre, nor is it something that needs to be “beaten”.

The only game that properly competes with what Dust is trying to do is Planetside.



It's an FPS on a console, that's the only part that matters. That's all players are going to see. You can add MMO or any other abbreviation to the front of it you want, that's not going to change things. When you target console gamers with an FPS, you're targeting CoD kids, plain and simple.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2012-01-08 16:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jimi Crackcorn wrote:
It's a FPS on a console, that's the only part that matters. That's all players are going to see.
…aside from it not being the same genre as CoD and not being in any real competition with those kinds of shooters.
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When you target console gamers with an FPS, you're targeting CoD kids, plain and simple.
You might actually want to take a look at the market — you'll be surprised. Roll
You're so wrong it borders on the silly, plain and simple.
Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
#19 - 2012-01-08 16:48:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jimi Crackcorn wrote:
It's a FPS on a console, that's the only part that matters. That's all players are going to see.
…aside from it not being the same genre as CoD and not being in any real competition with those kinds of shooters.



Doesn't matter. There are plenty of wannabe shooters out there that are nothing like CoD, but still, CoD is their biggest competition, get over it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-01-08 16:50:45 UTC
Jimi Crackcorn wrote:
Doesn't matter. There are plenty of wannabe shooters out there that are nothing like CoD, but still, CoD is their biggest competition, get over it.
…except that they're not competing with CoD because they're not doing the same thing. Much like Dust.

You're basically arguing that EVE competes with Spore.
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