Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Never not fly a 56m ISK, wet toilet paper tanked Eris with a nice pod. It could be argued by many, including me, that none of my implants benefitted this ship. But hey, who can resist a corpmate's call to "come tackle this PVE Ishtar for me, I have plenty of DPS right here." Then he got wife aggro... And it was not PVE fit... A richly deserved pod death, in my own bubble. If that was a mid-grade Snake set, I would not feel nearly as bad about that loss (although it would still have been a stupid loss).

What is the point of this anecdote? That everyone likes killing juicy pods. That should continue to be an integral part of Eve for years to come, but all implants should give an immediate benefit to the ship's pilot while it is actually being used.

PS - Yes, I would also remove the refining implants. And I would have no jump clone timer for clones in the same station. And no limit on clones per station.
Edit - 2000 likes! Yikes! That's a lot of posting.

Attribute implants are being removed eventually not because people don't want to lose them, but because it's frankly grossly unfair to new players that older players train faster because they have more space money. Making the playing field equal in this regard is not a bad thing. Making pods immune to bubbles however is a terrible idea.

For some, less complexity and risk is better.




Attribute implants are fairly cheap on the whole. The difference in training time between +4 and +5 is minimal and plus 4 implants cost less than 20 mill. What is that like 15 cents?

But your logic of "everything needs to be fair to new poor players" fails in so many ways in eve. Not the least of which is the other implants that give considerable advantages like the pirate implants.

It is interesting that it is a null sec alliance like goons that push for this attribute implant elimination.

I can't speak for other people in my alliance because everyone has their own opinion about things. I've wanted to see attribute implants gone since the learning skills abolition for the same reason that those skills were abolished & that was years before my GoonWaffe days.

The attribute difference is minimal until you factor in longer periods of time. The idea behind the attribute changes that were voiced at EDU is much like how the learning skills were done: Everyone will have the same base attributes & generate the same skill points at the same rate. Implants that give other bonuses will obviously remain in the game minus their attribute bonuses. One thing EVE isn't short on is new people coming to the game, what it is short on is new people that continue playing & this is a change that will simplify the silly attribute/skillpoint generation system.

Given that I've only ever pushed for two changes for the betterment of new players, your assumption that my logic is "everything needs to be fair to new poor players" fails in so many ways.

Or you can go to low sec and pvp and have fun because there bubbles won't catch your pod. It is telling that you left out that option.

If you are not filthy rich you may not want to buy +5s in any case and buy the much more reasonably priced +4s which cost less than 20 mill. (or 15 US pennies, if you pay for items with plex)

It is simply false that you get no immediate benefit from attribute implants. And whether the benefit is "immediate" or not is irrelevant. The benefit from attribute implants is that you train faster. The reward/benefit is clear. The risk is also clear. Most people find the risk reward reasonable in all places except where bubbles exist. Your view of removing the choices and consequences from players is bad for the reasons I went into above.



It seems you agree with me then. Because if you know what you are doing the only reason you wouldn't be able to do the frigate roam with your slave set is if you are going somewhere with bubbles.



Again that is the point of this proposal. Bubbles holding pods is the main reason to stay docked if you have expensive implants. Rather than removing choices and consequences by removing implants we should address the root of the problem. Bubbles holding pods is the problem.

Mallak Azaria

You refer to the "silly" attribute skill training system. But that is of course a major part of eve and one that keeps many people coming back to the game. You seem to just want to gut the consequences and choices involved in this base part of the game. IMO that contributes to the erosion of the eve player base. Keep choices keep consequences instead remove the the lame shooting fish in a barrel mechanic of pods not warping in bubbles.

I would point out that both of you refused to answer the questions I put to you.

Next thing OP will want is not being able to park a Smart-bombing Battleship at the sun.

Here's the thing: Regardless of what you say, CCP have already decided that attribute implants are going & the attribute system is being simplified for the stated reason of 'It is better for new player retention'. Given that one of the primary complaints about this game is that the attribute system is dumb you can't really argue that it's not a fair call.

Any attribute change doesn't affect older players because lets face it: How many 100m+ skillpoint players still use a remap? After a point there is really only one reasonable option & you end up sticking with it because that option trains the most skills the quickest.

You talk about me wanting to remove consequences, yet here you are advocating for a change that removes the consequence of loading your head full of expensive implants. At least what I'm advocating for doesn't cater to greedy risk-averse people playing a people shooting game.

I've got 4, the last one I used back in 2012 after training a bunch of drone stuff because that was becoming the new thing.

100% No .....the idea a crazy no offence

Expensive pods are a risk and should remain so