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Should I start missioning?

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Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-12-03 09:25:43 UTC
I usually get all my money from station trading, but playing Battlefield Jita - The Trade Wars is very tedious, and I don't have a lot of time to play (about 2 hours every week day). I explore in my Buzzard, but usually explo sites are a pain to find, and most of the time they yield sh*t rewards (in 4 hours of game time I found only 30 million ISK worth of loot).

A lot of my mates told me to start doing missions, so I decided to build in Pyfa my perfect cruise-missile Raven, the Uragan. However, others warned me to steer clear of missioning as "it is a boring grind".
So, should I start doing them? If yes, where do I start?

"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."

Daku Otsito
Otsito Response Team
#2 - 2015-12-03 09:55:17 UTC
If you never did missions do start it's fun for a while and the isk is good if you have a skilled Pirate BS grinding through them. With that said it is a grind after a few weeks and you can earn much more by doing combat exploration (low sec best sec :p).
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-12-03 10:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
The only reason mission running becomes a grind is because players end up only working for one specific agent.

If you work a few Agents in various Divisions of different Corps for each Faction, the missions will be quite varied and vastly different, especially if you mix in Event Agents too.

Later on you can also change up ship class to run the missions. For example, instead of continuing to run those level 4 combat missions in a Battleship, run them in an Assault Frigate instead.

Also if you split your time up and do some Exploration as well, it will be a very long time before it becomes a grind.


DMC
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#4 - 2015-12-03 15:48:31 UTC
I second that posted by DeMichael Crimson since it is what I was thinking about posting.

If you are making 30-40 million ISK in a gaming session with exploration you can easily count on doubling or tripling that with lvl 4 mission run over the same period of time no matter how you run them. Instead of a Raven, if you can afford it I suggest the Navy variant it is better suited to missions and in a relative way it is not that much more expensive.

The really sad part of this comes in your observations of how little you can make during an average gaming session when exploring. And even sadder is that CCP made it this way on purpose because they wanted to make exploration viable for more players especially those with low skills. However when they did that to counter the increased amount of materials that might enter the markets CCP had to nerf the drop tables and rates. So while they accomplished the goal of lowering the skills bar for becoming an effective explorer they made it an order of magnitude harder to make a real significant amount of ISK while doing it.

If you are not doing so then move your explorations into low and nul sec, you can still make a decent amount of ISK that way but beware those who live in or visit those areas since most of them will be looking for players like you to kill.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2015-12-03 16:36:27 UTC
I find the challenge is in figuring out how to complete missions in the shortest/non-blitzable timeframe. This typically involves tweaking your fits over time such that you can find an optimal setup. Then once you've mastered it, add another character.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#6 - 2015-12-03 16:40:00 UTC
be a pirate and gatecamp

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Ginnie
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-12-03 16:46:34 UTC
Personally, I like running level 4s. I would also focus on running missions for one specific NPC corp for the LPs. But, that's just me. Some corps have a greater variety of agent types than others.

I have also noticed that some corps tend to give certain missions more frequently than others. For example, I used to run missions for the Theo Council with my old corp and they gave out Blood Raider and Sanshas missions frequently. I am now running missions for the Amarr Navy and have a lot less missions with Blood Raiders and Sanshas, but many more with Gallente.

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.

Max Muni
Muni Corp
#8 - 2015-12-08 00:59:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Muni
I'm a returning player who in the past did nothing but HS missions with a duel box account for SOE, made hundreds of billions .... it got very boring and I quit.... started back up a year later, did the same thing, but less billions.... then quit, gave away characters and ISK.

This time around, I'm doing it different.

Single character, and immediately went to NULL NPC space to have fun with the game.

I'm going to play far less, but quality time I hope.

My character is less than a week old and has been blown up far more times in a few days then my entire 3 years of off and on again playing in HS.... but it's far more interesting and at the end of the day, it's all about having fun and a personal score and not the the amount of billions you can make grinding. Absolutely don't grind for ISK.

Mission running is a grind in HS, but it's much, much more interesting in Null or Low if you think everyone is going to jump you.

Go to NPC Null, Rat, mission, explore, explode..... ignore the local chat.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-12-08 02:54:57 UTC
Mission running is puzzle solving.

If you enjoy puzzles and just like to chill and potter away for a few hours you will like it.

On the other hand if you are after an adrenaline rush and exhilarating edge of your seat fun, well ... mission running is probably not for you.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-12-09 00:37:19 UTC
I think it's a good option for mixing things up. Ideally I'll split mission running and exploration 50/50. It also works well for steady income. Exploration relies on luck (and speed as it's indirect PvP) whereas mission running is much more steady.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-12-10 16:16:09 UTC
I, personally, love doing lvl 4 missions in my Marauder simply because of 100mil isk/hour, blasting the wretched while listening to rock music with adrenaline pumping and enjoying the beautiful flashes of guns firing / ships exploding.

So I recommend you trying missions, maybe you'll like it, maybe not.

PS: Recommend going from: Raven --> Raven Navy issue --> Golem / Rattlesnake.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#12 - 2015-12-10 16:42:13 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I, personally, love doing lvl 4 missions in my Marauder simply because of 100mil isk/hour, blasting the wretched while listening to rock music with adrenaline pumping and enjoying the beautiful flashes of guns firing / ships exploding.

So I recommend you trying missions, maybe you'll like it, maybe not.

PS: Recommend going from: Raven --> Raven Navy issue --> Golem / Rattlesnake.

Actually with the recent buff the Barghest makes a pretty decent end goal and compares favorably with the Machariel in many ways. If you like missiles go for the Barghest, if you like Guns go for the Machariel. If you like lazors then probably either a Nighmare or Paladin but I don't have a ton of experience in that area so I don't know how and if they compare to the Mach/Barghest.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Stapaina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-12-10 16:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Stapaina
Mission running sucks completely in Eve. It's the stupidest thing you can do in this game. Every time you kill the same NPC over and over again ! If you have little bit of skills and you aren't completely stupid, then there is no thrill in mission running. You will not loose ship, the only way to loose it is if you get DC-ed.

So if you have an income (as I understood you do), then try joining PvP corp. Maybe not for PvP-ing all the time, but for socialising. You can meet ppl from all over the world, discuss different matters and kill other players at the same time.

If you don't have an income, then it is possible to run lvl4 burners to make isk and then do something else.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#14 - 2015-12-10 17:01:37 UTC
Stapaina wrote:
Mission running sucks completely in Eve. It's the stupidest thing you can do in this game. Every time you kill the same NPC over and over again ! If you have little bit of skills and you aren't completely stupid, then there is no thrill in mission running. You will not loose ship, the only way to loose it is if you get DC-ed.

So if you have an income (as I understood you do), then try joining PvP corp. Maybe not for PvP-ing all the time, but for socialising. You can meet ppl from all over the world, discuss different matters and kill other players at the same time.

If you don't have an income, then it is possible to run lvl4 burners to make isk and then do something else.

While I agree normal Lv4s can become a little bit tedious, burners really are amazing content and people who haven't tried them are really doing themselves a disservice. It's one of the better things CCP has done lately.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-12-10 18:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Was a mission runner for 6 months when I started playing, it was fun, to optimize fits, volleys, time to complete, etc. Also the epic arcs are nice. But motivation came mainly from standings for better jump clones and trading fees, then ISK. When I reached my goals, I switched to relic exploration in nullsec as my main income (nets you above 100m/h), plus PvP to spend the ISK. But I'm thinking about returning and running some missions for SOE and also some burners, in the meantime I annoy other mission runners a bit.

So, just try missioning, and switch to something else, even mining, if you get bored ... don't get yourself stuck in one activity, there are so many things to do in EvE. Diversification keeps the game fresh.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Altair Taurus
#16 - 2015-12-10 19:10:46 UTC
Only after getting final answer from CCP about possible recent level 4 missions stealth nerfs!
Stapaina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-12-10 20:18:51 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Stapaina wrote:
Mission running sucks completely in Eve. It's the stupidest thing you can do in this game. Every time you kill the same NPC over and over again ! If you have little bit of skills and you aren't completely stupid, then there is no thrill in mission running. You will not loose ship, the only way to loose it is if you get DC-ed.

So if you have an income (as I understood you do), then try joining PvP corp. Maybe not for PvP-ing all the time, but for socialising. You can meet ppl from all over the world, discuss different matters and kill other players at the same time.

If you don't have an income, then it is possible to run lvl4 burners to make isk and then do something else.

While I agree normal Lv4s can become a little bit tedious, burners really are amazing content and people who haven't tried them are really doing themselves a disservice. It's one of the better things CCP has done lately.


There are 4 anomic teams, 5 burners and 4 bases. After I've done them few times it's more of a isk making process. No fun at all. Same stuff every single time (jam logi, kill burner or warp in, tank, kill). There is no content in mission running.
Stapaina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-12-10 20:20:01 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Was a mission runner for 6 months when I started playing, it was fun, to optimize fits, volleys, time to complete, etc. Also the epic arcs are nice. But motivation came mainly from standings for better jump clones and trading fees, then ISK. When I reached my goals, I switched to relic exploration in nullsec as my main income (nets you above 100m/h), plus PvP to spend the ISK. But I'm thinking about returning and running some missions for SOE and also some burners, in the meantime I annoy other mission runners a bit.

So, just try missioning, and switch to something else, even mining, if you get bored ... don't get yourself stuck in one activity, there are so many things to do in EvE. Diversification keeps the game fresh.


Mission hasn't changed much since I started playing this game in 2005. So imagine what older players think about them.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-12-10 22:01:10 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I, personally, love doing lvl 4 missions in my Marauder simply because of 100mil isk/hour, blasting the wretched while listening to rock music with adrenaline pumping and enjoying the beautiful flashes of guns firing / ships exploding.

So I recommend you trying missions, maybe you'll like it, maybe not.

PS: Recommend going from: Raven --> Raven Navy issue --> Golem / Rattlesnake.

Actually with the recent buff the Barghest makes a pretty decent end goal and compares favorably with the Machariel in many ways. If you like missiles go for the Barghest, if you like Guns go for the Machariel. If you like lazors then probably either a Nighmare or Paladin but I don't have a ton of experience in that area so I don't know how and if they compare to the Mach/Barghest.


What should people who like hybrids or drones aim for?
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-12-10 22:02:31 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Only after getting final answer from CCP about possible recent level 4 missions stealth nerfs!


What nerfs are those? I only recently came back.
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