Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Which does not mean you eliminate enduring implicit threats, especially when they have counters. And you stating something like this does nothing to indicate Dev support, you are just making that up out of whole clothe.

I admit I don't live in a WH, and have never really lived in one (just don't have the RL time to devote to it)...so...question:

You w-spacers, do you work more in groups or solo?

Its not so much that I have dev support, as it is I see what the devs are doing.

We have established that afk cloaking is not a problem. Not in my eyes and not in developer eyes.

The problem is enduring implicit threats that among other things are derived from cloaky camping in null-sec, and would be derived in greater degree from wh-local in null-sec.

So other wh mechanisms lower implicit threat to acceptable levels.

I know the logic is a bit non-linear. My apologies for that.

Did you just try and say (my bold) WH are LESS dangerous/threatening than null sec?

Explain.....

It varies tbh.

Pretty we just accept that the ship/s is/are already lost and there is ALWAYS a proteus behind you.

Most good groups try and close the entry holes before undergoing serious ratting, but if folks rage roll into you, it's essentially a cyno and you all die in a fire.

There's also the omnipresent issue of your hole being seeded by enemy ships when you're sleeping.

Such are the ways, we just accept them and mitigate them as much as possible.

imho, WHers are the among the purest eve of spirits. The genuinely embrace "it's already lost" the minute it enters the fray, embrace the game as (imo) it was meant to be played.

Well, let me see....

A Dev, CCP Fozzie, has said that cloaks are balanced as is, more or less.

A Dev, CCP Fozzie, has said they want to shake things up, but probably not like how people expect.

A Dev, CCP Fozzie, has noted that in wormholes people don't worry about cloaks and there is a good reason for that.

Now, my guess is local is going delayed chat and intel will move into a structure players can deploy, in fact they have one in the development pipe called the Observatory Array. This latter point has been heavily hinted at.

They also have this new structure they are referring to as gates which may have an effect on warp speeds.

I see no other structures suggesting that players will be able to set up WH style effects in NS that they can also control. Further, I don't think this would be a good idea nor help all that much. I don't like it because it becomes one more thing that Devs will need to keep an eye on from a balance perspective. Is there one "setting" that everyone defaults too? Unbalanced and unnecessary since if everyone defaults to it, everyone adapts to it....like it isn't even there in the end. Further, people who want to come and take a dump in your party's punch bowl will learn to adapt to these new settings. Send in a scout who finds out what the effects are, tells the rest of the fleet and they fit appropriately.

In summary, I see you as making **** up and claiming Dev support. Maybe I'm making **** up, but not nearly to the same degree you are.

Not sure if Teckos was satisfied with your answer, but I'd like to know too ... I've tried Wormholes (we moved in as a corp), and pretty soon nobody logged on anymore and I found myself trying (and failing) to do stuff on my own. Yet I also hear of people setting up a tower on their own and doing some PI in there, only calling in "the troops" when their tower is under attack.

Ever since, I've been diving in and out occasionally though never tried to dig in again. Is Solo wormholing more like "calculate the repeated random loss of your ship and still come out on top, ISK wise" or do you really need a group (say... 10 guys?) to be effective? Thanks for clarifying


Edit: it helps to know we came fresh out of lowsec and my skills back then were .... let's say "lacking". I didn't have Strategic Cruisers or even T2 guns so I used a Vexor Navy or Augoror Navy for most purposes.

I have thought that too about people in w-space. I'd like to try but...meh RL.

Seems like it is more of a difference in attitude. Accept your ship will go boom sooner or later and you'll enjoy the game much, much more.

Shrug, if you think out of the box, anything is possible.

I did sleeper sites in an Imicus solo when I first went wormhole space (just day visits mind). Never thought I would lose one. Never did.

But not undocking with a neut in system eh?

Or bearing with a ship fit to defend itself?


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