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Drone aggro bugged?

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-12-10 13:40:39 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more active and more challenging.


ftfy

Burners are this. Grinding through dozens upon dozens of battleships semi-afk is not. Good idea, poor implementation.


Burners are actually even worse. Neither particularly active nor challenging in any traditional sense. The only difference is there is no room for creativity because they'll just kill you. Use fit listed in guide, quicker and easier than any other missions.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#22 - 2015-12-10 13:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Drones are the ultimate throw-away weapon system. Stupid cheap, unlimited ammunition and insane range and tracking (especially on ships like the Dominix and Ishtar). And let's not forget drone assist... So here's hoping this is a feature and not a bug.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
K Raz
Crysonian
#23 - 2015-12-10 15:49:05 UTC
Also having this "feature" Not really an issue having to do a bit of drone managing. It's not really ruining anything about "AFK'ing" - In fact it's easily exploitable. Fit for pure damage, keep remote reps on drones, solo the hardest anoms while walking the dog. Don't think this is what's intended.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#24 - 2015-12-10 17:14:56 UTC
sookisooki Vuld wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
sookisooki Vuld wrote:
Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.

So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".

Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm!


Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake.

There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.

And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around.


Hard? no. Boring? YES!

If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained.

Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing?


Self-entitled millennial detected.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-12-10 22:16:35 UTC
Much as the anti-mission whiners might like to feel they are important and being listened to, my personal thoughts are its too incompetent a balance change to be deliberate even for CCP.

It is far more likely to be an unexpected side effect of something like experimenting with sleeper/drifter AI. Though even if it is an unexpected side effect CCP will not necessarily reverse the changes.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#26 - 2015-12-10 22:18:36 UTC
Most likely, I bet it is all related to Operation Frostline. Once the event is over, I bet things return to normal.
Big Cyc
Shocky Industries Ltd.
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2015-12-10 23:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Cyc
Estella Osoka wrote:
Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.

on havens they work, only newbros are nerfed
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#28 - 2015-12-10 23:41:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
My Rattlesnake's sentries took all kinds of crazy aggro last night. I even lost one, and he was my favorite, I named him Doug and we've been thorough a lot together, War with the Russians, getting lost in a wormhole, a divorce, a couple of tax audits. Hell Doug was my kid's God Father.

Then Doug died to the Angel Cartel. I cried for 2 minutes then realized i was crazy and just launched another sentry. Her name is Mary and she does explosive damage.

(TL;DR get over it, guns and missiles work fine in anoms)

Twisted


So sorry for your loss, Jenn. He sounds like he was a good drone. Did Doug serve? He sounds like the kind of drone to be a vet. Hope you kid'll be okay as well. Cry

And, congratulations on your new...er..."relationship". Yeah, let's just go with that. Lol

(mumbles under breath: "weirdo") Shocked

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Savannah Lion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-12-11 03:10:11 UTC
I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets.
sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-12-11 09:10:52 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
sookisooki Vuld wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
sookisooki Vuld wrote:
Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.

So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".

Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm!


Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake.

There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.

And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around.


Hard? no. Boring? YES!

If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained.

Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing?


Self-entitled millennial detected.



Lol is that the best you got to what, make me feel bad? Yes let me feel bad because some nobody does not like my opinion hahaha.
Spcius Patrouette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-12-11 10:52:22 UTC
Its not just forsaken hubs, its happening in havens too.

I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.

Null income for line members is actually pretty low comparatively. 15-20m ticks are the norm. Forget incursions, you can make more tahn that running level 4 missions with practically zero risk. In null however you cant always rat because there are roaming gangs, so that cuts down your isk/hr and you have to pay for the ships you lose. If you dont have a hauler alt the cost of replacing them (if you can find one on the market at all) is usually 50%+ higher than in HS.

I live in null because my corp moved there, not because its some promised land of isk.

Yes drones are relatively replaceable, but you can only fit so many in your drone bay.

If this is an intended change its not one thats making the game any more 'challenging' for nullbears, its just breaking that aspect of the game and killing that playstyle.

Other than taht i have mining and PI. now tehre are some high skill/activity intensive gameplay mechanics if ever ive heard them!

Or maybe i could do hauling. Wow, the options for fun gameplay are astounding.

The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#32 - 2015-12-11 11:30:12 UTC
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next.

Well you know where to find my guide if you need any help Pirate

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-12-11 12:28:55 UTC
Savannah Lion wrote:
I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets.



God forbid you work as a team.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#34 - 2015-12-11 13:36:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Spcius Patrouette wrote:


I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.


This just goes to show, it's not just high sec people who completely lose the plot when it comes to balance.

I live in null, so that "lol you don't live in null" BS is just that, BS. I've used everything, afktars, FoF+drone ships like the rattlesnake, vindicators in serp and guristas space, carriers, and so on. My favorite is my Machariel

[Machariel, Angels Bane]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field
'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
Large Micro Jump Drive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

Gecko x1
Valkyrie II x4
Hornet EC-300 x5
Valkyrie II x1

I make good isk with it and it can do 10/10s, but I'm also risking something expensive to do it.

That mach costs 8 or 9 times as much as an afktar, but it sure as hell doesn't make 8 or 9 times as much (and i'm not saying it should). But the current anomaly situation is BS, those of us who go out and ACTIVELY rat only make a little more than the people who attach a 100mn AB to a HAC, launch drones and go do something else.

This has the affect of pumping wayyy to much isk into the economy (which s NOT BALANCED by the material sink of exploding ishtars and navy vexors, 3-4 hours of use and that afktar already paid for itself). What's even worse from my point of view is that it makes null sec look way richer than it is, giving ammunition to people in other parts of EVE to defend their unbalanced isk making activities.

Sorry, but if you want to make isk with a space ship in this game it's right that you should have to be somewhere near your keyboard to do it. At least with FoF missiles, if you go afk they run out and you make nothing.
Savannah Lion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-12-11 13:51:45 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Savannah Lion wrote:
I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets.



God forbid you work as a team.



Work as a team with who? Are you suggesting I switch to missiles or something, and grab 2-3 friends? Hmm....splitting ticks between that many bodies, and....I might as well become a miner at those profit levels. The point is drone rattings works fine, gives newer guys a reliable income, and "something" we can do on our own. It's already crap, some of the skill walls us new guys hit. No sense taking drone ratting from us too.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2015-12-11 13:54:42 UTC
Savannah Lion wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Savannah Lion wrote:
I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets.



God forbid you work as a team.



Work as a team with who? Are you suggesting I switch to missiles or something, and grab 2-3 friends? Hmm....splitting ticks between that many bodies, and....I might as well become a miner at those profit levels. The point is drone rattings works fine, gives newer guys a reliable income, and "something" we can do on our own. It's already crap, some of the skill walls us new guys hit. No sense taking drone ratting from us too.


Stop hiding behind the new guy thing. There is no reason you can't fly a meta Gun tornado (for example) and make the same isk in anoms while being at the keyboard. in fact, it's EASIER to train into that meta gun tornado than it is a navy vexor.

You got spoiled by afk isk that should have never been part of the game. That's your own fault really.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#37 - 2015-12-11 14:33:32 UTC
Spcius Patrouette wrote:
Its not just forsaken hubs, its happening in havens too.

I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.

Null income for line members is actually pretty low comparatively. 15-20m ticks are the norm. Forget incursions, you can make more tahn that running level 4 missions with practically zero risk. In null however you cant always rat because there are roaming gangs, so that cuts down your isk/hr and you have to pay for the ships you lose. If you dont have a hauler alt the cost of replacing them (if you can find one on the market at all) is usually 50%+ higher than in HS.

I live in null because my corp moved there, not because its some promised land of isk.

Yes drones are relatively replaceable, but you can only fit so many in your drone bay.

If this is an intended change its not one thats making the game any more 'challenging' for nullbears, its just breaking that aspect of the game and killing that playstyle.

Other than taht i have mining and PI. now tehre are some high skill/activity intensive gameplay mechanics if ever ive heard them!

Or maybe i could do hauling. Wow, the options for fun gameplay are astounding.

The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next.


And running those level 4 missions means you have to be at the keyboard, actively piloting your ship. You want the isk, then actively pilot the ship; because if you didn't let your drones get too far away, then they wouldn't be dying.

As Jenn said, there are other ships you can use that are just as effective. Ya'll don't want to use them because they require *effort*.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#38 - 2015-12-11 14:38:01 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:


As Jenn said, there are other ships you can use that are just as effective. Ya'll don't want to use them because they require *effort*.


Oh crap, someone agreed with me!

a reenactment of my reaction at home!

Big smile
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#39 - 2015-12-11 14:50:46 UTC
What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km?
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#40 - 2015-12-11 15:01:01 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km?


I never let my drones get more than 25km away, and I watch them like a hawk. The first time I see agro shift, and then start seeing red on their shields is when I start pulling them back.


Jenn, I actually agree with you on the active gameplay stance. Which is why I have no problem for those rare hisec missioners who can get over 100mil an hour; because I know they are actively playing the game and putting forth a little effort to get those dividends.