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Ideas on how a viable F2P model would work.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-12-09 20:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
This thread is not about declining numbers or if EVE should go free to play, but rather if it did, how would it work?

My suggestion, would be similar to ESO's model where there is still a subscription you can purchase but not mandatory.

First things first...

Free players would not be able to play more than one client at a time based on IP address similar to the way trial accounts would now. There would also be a feature that if you log in on a free account that it stops training on other accounts that share that IP.

Free accounts would be allowed to interact with the markets but would be limited such as only having a total of 5 open buy sell orders.

Free accounts would also be limited to access to science and manufacturing jobs (aka none) and could not own or operate POS and PI. I might also suggest free player could not start their own corps or alliances (this might be up for debate).

Players who pay a $15 month fee or trade enough isk for a plex could get these features which I would not say would be pay to win since having access to these features would still require effort to achieve positive results with.

Also sub players can multibox and train multiple characters at a time.

In my option on this would be sufficient to keep players paying money to play the game while providing more content (targets) all around.

If you have any other ideas on how a F2P system could work, post them.

Or if you see flaws or changes to my ideas, let's hear that too.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-12-09 20:22:43 UTC
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-12-09 20:24:13 UTC
Wrong forum.

Aside from that, why F2P? What's the problem that this model will solve?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#4 - 2015-12-09 20:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
Kindly disembark from the game, and kindly take your thread with you.


Thanking you


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Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-12-09 20:24:55 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
No.


Care to elaborate?

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Thalos Elongus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-12-09 20:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Thalos Elongus
I find the current "F2P" model VERY good.

It does not include any Pay-2-win elements, but just plain and simple isk.

Other players buy your game time in order for you to play, and you pay them a decent amount of ISK to do so (fair market value of a PLEX)

This way the servers are paid for, and you dont drift into the stupid Pay-2-win area.

You just need to put a bit of effort in. And also CCP is not "involved" in this. They just provide you a way to securely trade that gametime.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-12-09 20:27:38 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Wrong forum.

Aside from that, why F2P? What's the problem that this model will solve?


I am not suggesting we go F2P so I did not put in the suggestion forums, but rather asked "If we had to, how would we do it?"

So I am not asking anyone's opinion on if, but rather how.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#8 - 2015-12-09 20:28:49 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2015-12-09 20:30:35 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
No.


Care to elaborate?

Not particularly no.

This isn't a subject I'll indulge in any way size shape or form.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2015-12-09 20:33:22 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I am not suggesting we go F2P so I did not put in the suggestion forums, but rather asked "If we had to, how would we do it?"

So I am not asking anyone's opinion on if, but rather how.

F&I is called "Features and Ideas Discussion" and is for the discussion of ideas. It's not called the suggestions forum.

However before even how, why is this model needed?
Solecist Project
#11 - 2015-12-09 20:39:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
There you say "No." ...
... http://imgur.com/rSwCRPJ ...
... but when I quote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Lol



Also, I'd like to add my own opinion to this:

Lol No.

Ask me if I care to elaborate and OH BOY I will ......

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2015-12-09 20:41:51 UTC
Obligatory.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kuetlzelcoatl
#13 - 2015-12-09 20:44:08 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Wrong forum.

Aside from that, why F2P? What's the problem that this model will solve?


I am not suggesting we go F2P so I did not put in the suggestion forums, but rather asked "If we had to, how would we do it?"

So I am not asking anyone's opinion on if, but rather how.



I don't think a F2P model will work in this game.

Before you jump to the "but I didn't ask if...." thing, that is the point, I don't think it could work due to the nature of this game and the resentment to the Play-To-Win aspect of only those who pay really have a chance.

It is really hard to get meaningful feedback on how something should be done before you address the if it should be done.

Trying to do this the way you suggest seems so much like getting the "cart before the horse" that is really just looks like a troll-bait post.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-12-09 20:45:02 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
My suggestion, would be similar to ESO's model where there is still a subscription you can purchase but not mandatory.


The glaring problem with the ESO/SWTOR models is that even though subscribing isn't mandatory, they both make the free to play options so undesirable that you have to subscribe regardless to get an enjoyable play experience.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#15 - 2015-12-09 20:55:37 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
There you say "No." ...
... http://imgur.com/rSwCRPJ ...
... but when I quote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Lol



Also, I'd like to add my own opinion to this:

Lol No.

Ask me if I care to elaborate and OH BOY I will ......
Could you elaborate on your statement? I expect no less than one thousand words.

Mr Epeen Cool
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2015-12-09 20:56:24 UTC
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Solecist Project
#17 - 2015-12-09 20:57:09 UTC
Free2Play as subscription model is all about manipulation and literally MILKING people.
It's not about providing a good game, it's about manipulating people into believing that
their virtual character equals their actual character.


It's basically proof that companies think their customers are idiots.

These games aim at the weakest point in their players, which is their self esteem. (we had that one already, right?)

What do you get to buy in many games? Gear that makes you better than the rest.
Want to skip time and be faster than others? Buy this SpeedUp item to finish this task faster.
Want to seperate yourself from the rest? Buy this vanity item for 75$.


If you look at it ... all these games make money from poor people who have no self esteem.

Victims of modern marketing that does nothing else but constantly telling you that ...

... YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS ...
... UNLESS YOU BUY THIS PRODUCT THAT MAKES YOU ...

... A PART OF IT/BETTER/FEEL LIFE/HAVE FUN/BE SOMEONE.


It's always the same thing.


Free2Play is for dumb and/or sad people I feel sorry for.

EVE ONLINE isn't (yet) made for idiots.



PS: Dear ISD, you could as well just have locked it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#18 - 2015-12-09 20:57:58 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
There you say "No." ...
... http://imgur.com/rSwCRPJ ...
... but when I quote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Lol



Also, I'd like to add my own opinion to this:

Lol No.

Ask me if I care to elaborate and OH BOY I will ......
Could you elaborate on your statement? I expect no less than one thousand words.

Mr Epeen Cool

I'm not sure if you're trying to make fun of me ..........
... and usually that's okay, but at this topic serious business starts.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#19 - 2015-12-09 21:03:35 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

I'm not sure if you're trying to make fun of me ..........
Not at all. I enjoy when you are fired up and passionate about a topic. They are some of your best posts.

Mr Epeen Cool
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-12-09 21:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
I'll just leave this here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=452051

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=452909

Search function, it is your friend. Real friends don't let friends shiptoast.

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