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Valentine al-Askari
Khyber
#1 - 2015-12-09 06:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Valentine al-Askari
In mission running in Fw not only are you hunted by every one in low sec now Webbed out to 40km+ in all factions but Amarr? Have tank 700+ dsp in Level 4s often one shoted. You cant run it in bombers now, you cant run it in cruisers, You have to go in a fully pve fit T3 or Bc to live, now gate camps are a massive worry you wont beable to pvp frigs cuse you pve fit. Why not Just remove all missions for Fw

I do not think any one thought of the long term effect it is going to have
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2015-12-09 07:06:19 UTC
personally I'm a fan of cheap stuff so don't really mind things like bombers soloing lv4 fw missions for massive LP. however that doesn't really sound like something that is good for overall game balance.

Now I'm tempted to jump on sisi and try and do FW missions just to see how they go as I've never actually done them.

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Valentine al-Askari
Khyber
#3 - 2015-12-09 09:28:54 UTC
on that note you can say blitzing missions level 4s in high sec with no risk isnt good for the overall game. in fw mission you has massive risk a frig could kill you or a recon ship that you can't use dscan to detect will kill and once you warp out of the mission site odds are you wont be-able to complete it, mess up you speed in the mission your dead. run missions in normal usa timezone you will have people hunting you in interceptors recon ships and have to get out of gate camps

it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-12-09 09:39:11 UTC
no you should not be able to make the most amount of isk in the game using a bomber while every other lvl 4 requires battleships and t3's, if you are running fw missions then im sure you can afford a t3 :)

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Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-12-09 10:09:49 UTC
Valentine al-Askari wrote:
In mission running in Fw not only are you hunted by every one in low sec now Webbed out to 40km+ in all factions but Amarr? Have tank 700+ dsp in Level 4s often one shoted. You cant run it in bombers now, you cant run it in cruisers, You have to go in a fully pve fit T3 or Bc to live, now gate camps are a massive worry you wont beable to pvp frigs cuse you pve fit. Why not Just remove all missions for Fw

I do not think any one thought of the long term effect it is going to have


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Honestly fw income was crazy and is still crazy. Every 0.0 ratter can be jealous.
I have my own bomber alts for minmatar, caldari, amarr,
First time for years it is balanced.
Minmatar missions were far too easy, caldari were also too easy.
Amarr missions were always hard as **** because you always have to risk that you can get alphad straight away.
Plus you need a lot better skilled toon for amarr missions than for cal or matar.
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Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2015-12-09 12:04:04 UTC
It is a good change.
Even if this will directly impact me in a negative way.
People where making 700+mil /h in a bomber without worrying about any thing.
If they lose a bomber this was like 50mil lose, so totally unimportant.
FW missions was all around avoiding PVP , when FW is about creating PVP.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#7 - 2015-12-09 13:14:29 UTC
"Your T2 FW Mission Balancing Hits Valentine al-Askari, Wrecking for Untold Tears"

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#8 - 2015-12-09 13:30:27 UTC
This is what happens when people get used to a thing that's way to lucrative to be balanced, a bunch of rationalizing about how "but it was good and balanced and then ONE PERSON complained and it got nerfed!". It happened with high sec lvl 5s and it's happening now with FW missions.

What should happen is that people form small pvp fit + logi "mission farming small gangs" to attack these missions. FW missions are supposed to elicit pvp responses, that's why they produce a beacon visible to everyone in the system (CCP wants people to attack you and for you to be able to attack people who are PVEing in your space, it's why FW missions always take you into or near enemy controlled space).

And that's why they pay out so much LP, because they are supposed to be balanced by potential ship loss. But when the ship loss was nothing more than a 50 mil Bomber, the balance got out of whack. Even when the LP market was flooded AND your faction is at a low tier you could make 2-3oo mil per hour (ie 4- 6 stealth bombers worth of wealth).

I only had time to dabble in a couple missions yesterday, but yea, my caracal got shredded and I didn't even dare going back and getting one of my purifiers. This is a good change, it was too easy before. And some people will adapt. Many will not and whine or find some other broken pve to make isk from.
Valentine al-Askari
Khyber
#9 - 2015-12-09 14:49:58 UTC

whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether a few may stay but most wont, there are around 16,000 people in fw give or take around 100-150 online in all fractions in a few months it will drop to 10,000 or so and be around 75-100, then fw low sec will die out for pvp for pirates.

will they adapted some maybe, but there are now better ways to make isk than risk a t3 ship and get in a goup that have to deal with people who troll like the ones on this post no not worth it. caldari and minmitar will proble never get in high tier again.

what should have been done is you got racail ewar and give what ever your fighting that a bouns like minmitar has tp amarr has nutes gall dams and cald jams would make more cents.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-12-09 14:51:42 UTC
I hear Thelan has some great lvl 5's for you to do :)

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2015-12-09 14:53:31 UTC
Valentine al-Askari wrote:

but there are now better ways to make isk than risk a t3 ship and get in a goup that have to deal with people who troll like the ones on this post no not worth it.



Bit rich you calling voices of sanity 'trolls' when your thread and your spelling have the unmistakable whiff of the bridge.


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I rest my case.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#12 - 2015-12-09 14:58:54 UTC
Valentine al-Askari wrote:

whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether a few may stay but most wont, there are around 16,000 people in fw give or take around 100-150 online in all fractions in a few months it will drop to 10,000 or so and be around 75-100, then fw low sec will die out for pvp for pirates.

will they adapted some maybe, but there are now better ways to make isk than risk a t3 ship and get in a goup that have to deal with people who troll like the ones on this post no not worth it. caldari and minmitar will proble never get in high tier again.

what should have been done is you got racail ewar and give what ever your fighting that a bouns like minmitar has tp amarr has nutes gall dams and cald jams would make more cents.


Points and laughs. Ha! You obviously never ran FW missions for Gallente. Now the FW missions between all factions are balanced.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#13 - 2015-12-09 15:25:34 UTC
Valentine al-Askari wrote:

whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether


That's possible for many, as many folks have FW alts not for being a part of FW, but simply for the unbalanced wealth generation (same as incursion alts). When CCP balanced Incursions the 1st time whole incursion communities died. Some people can't bother to PVE unless the PVE is so unbalanced it's crazy profitable. I call them "fair weather PVErs" and i don't care if they stop doing something, they are nothing more than the parasites of the PVE community.

PVE should be balanced around it's purpose (supplying the game with things like items, isk, and other forms of content) as well as around people who actually enjoy PVE. It should not be balanced around people who just want to make quick game-wealth and "damn the consequences to the game" types.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#14 - 2015-12-09 15:34:45 UTC
Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate.
Daku Otsito
Speaker for the Dead
Stay Feral
#15 - 2015-12-09 15:53:02 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate.


True but this will soon change too, i present to you the BANE of those farmers

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Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

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X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
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Hobgoblin II x5


-4 warp scramble strength MUHAHAHA
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-12-09 16:38:05 UTC
Valentine al-Askari wrote:

whats gona happen is people will just stop fw altogether a few may stay but most wont,


LOL for implying that mission farmers are actually doing FW.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#17 - 2015-12-09 17:53:38 UTC
They nerfed the ******* **** out of level 4 missions in hisec bro. The reward is significantly reduced.

The risk in any covert ops ship is the same, so they didnt raise the risk of it, you just don't want to ante up.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2015-12-09 18:22:25 UTC
Valentine al-Askari wrote:
on that note you can say blitzing missions level 4s in high sec with no risk isnt good for the overall game. in fw mission you has massive risk a frig could kill you or a recon ship that you can't use dscan to detect will kill and once you warp out of the mission site odds are you wont be-able to complete it, mess up you speed in the mission your dead. run missions in normal usa timezone you will have people hunting you in interceptors recon ships and have to get out of gate camps

it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target

I have argued that. And I kinda doubt one person is responsible for the nerf to bomber blitzing. Balance has a way of finding you.

Daku Otsito wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate.


True but this will soon change too, i present to you the BANE of those farmers

[Maulus Navy Issue, reaper]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II

Hobgoblin II x5


-4 warp scramble strength MUHAHAHA

good think the new punisher has 5 lows yay stabs! Also I'd probably go warp speed rigs if the main goal is to catch stabbed plex farmers. I kinda imagine that being a bit too slow and they will see you coming between short range dscan and large grids. maybe even go with 2 scrams.

Cipher Jones wrote:
They nerfed the ******* **** out of level 4 missions in hisec bro. The reward is significantly reduced.

The risk in any covert ops ship is the same, so they didnt raise the risk of it, you just don't want to ante up.

uhh when?

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#19 - 2015-12-09 19:13:55 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Valentine al-Askari wrote:
on that note you can say blitzing missions level 4s in high sec with no risk isnt good for the overall game. in fw mission you has massive risk a frig could kill you or a recon ship that you can't use dscan to detect will kill and once you warp out of the mission site odds are you wont be-able to complete it, mess up you speed in the mission your dead. run missions in normal usa timezone you will have people hunting you in interceptors recon ships and have to get out of gate camps

it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target

I have argued that. And I kinda doubt one person is responsible for the nerf to bomber blitzing. Balance has a way of finding you.

Daku Otsito wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Actually, most people get their LP from running FW plexes in a stabbed frigate.


True but this will soon change too, i present to you the BANE of those farmers

[Maulus Navy Issue, reaper]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II

Hobgoblin II x5


-4 warp scramble strength MUHAHAHA

good think the new punisher has 5 lows yay stabs! Also I'd probably go warp speed rigs if the main goal is to catch stabbed plex farmers. I kinda imagine that being a bit too slow and they will see you coming between short range dscan and large grids. maybe even go with 2 scrams.

Cipher Jones wrote:
They nerfed the ******* **** out of level 4 missions in hisec bro. The reward is significantly reduced.

The risk in any covert ops ship is the same, so they didnt raise the risk of it, you just don't want to ante up.

uhh when?


Farmers normally are doing it AFK. Alarm goes off when they start taking damage, so they switch to the other screen and warp off. Relying on the person shooting them only having one warp scram.

They have to be within 30km of the timer, so the grid increase means squat.

The Navy Maulus also has a buff to warp scram range.

To nullify the -4 warp modifier the Maulus has with only one warp scram, means the target will need at least 3 warp stabs. If the Navy Maulus pilot fits 2 scrams, then the farmer ain't going nowhere.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-12-09 21:03:38 UTC
Valentine al-Askari wrote:
it's classic one person complanes really loudly about how something should change and it gets nuked it form orbit and misses the target


No it's more like a classic "everyone was doing this to a ridiculous degree after telling CCP years ago that they were going to abuse the hell out of this so they finally made the needed change to fix something that never should have been so abusable in the first place".

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