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confused about armor repper

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#21 - 2015-12-07 20:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Isaac Armer wrote:
1. Does anyone have advice on how to get people to actually shoot back at me in high sec?

Leave hisec.

Lowsec and w-space are full of solo and small-gang pew pew.

Otherwise in hisec, your best bet is going suspect in other people's mission deadspaces, by looting their wrecks. Mission ships tend to make poor PvP ships, so it isn't any challenge.

In general, flying around hisec as a suspect will get somebody to shoot at you.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-12-08 00:07:37 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:


1. Does anyone have advice on how to get people to actually shoot back at me in high sec?


Generally speaking people stay in highsec because its safe. Hisec PvPers tend more often than not be looking for easy kills (CODE) or profit (suicide ganking) rather than any sort of genuine PvP challenge. You can try dueling but generally the main takers are guys with remote boosts/reps of some sort which in EVE is seen as clever tactics not cheating :D

If you really want to PvP join Faction War or just get yourself into losec and roam about. People in losec will definitely shoot back. You might get a carrier randomly hot dropped on your frigate just for lols but you will get to see some action.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#23 - 2015-12-08 09:40:27 UTC
top tip: avoid tristans like the plague

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-12-08 10:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Isaac Armer wrote:
A quick update for anyone in this thread.

I am still having a hard time finding actual people to shoot, but I have moved my home base to a more active part of the universe, so hopefully that helps. I am getting better at scanning, so I'm embarking on a noble quest to rid the universe of as many MTUs and mobile depots as I can until I get better at finding actual people to shoot.

Two questions,

1. Does anyone have advice on how to get people to actually shoot back at me in high sec?
2. Does anyone have any advice/suggestions on what to train? http://eveboard.com/pilot/Isaac_Armer, PW 9876


You want to go ask this question in the crime and punishment section of the forums. You will garner I think some useful replies.

As for your penchant for flying executioners - the executioner is the Tech 1 Amarr tackle frigate. Each race has one, designed really as a primer for would-be interceptor pilots. The T1 tackle frigates are designed to quickly chase down and immobilize/tackle targets until your wingmen or fleet can arrive with heavier, higher damage ships. Same purpose as their more skill intensive T2 variants, just a bit less effective, as the T2 variant has better stats geared towards its role.

Neither the T1 nor the T2 ceptors are designed to stand on their own as general front line combat ships. They're fast, which makes them potentially effective kite ships when paired with ranged weapons and a skilled pilot, usually along with an MWD fit designed to move at high speed. The point-and-annoy condor is probably the best example of this. In my experience the other T1 interceptors don't really have the damage projection to MWD kite successfully. There are some AB speed tanking niche fits that can surprise a foe, but even then it's difficult to overcome the T1 interceptors' primary weakness for solo PvP.

They are made of paper. Even with an ancillary repper or shield booster their base EHP is so low they fold like wet paper if something is actually hitting them. And in a meta where just about everything you fight will have drones or ranged weapons or both and no T1 frigate has the speed/projection to evade them entirely, that's a non-starter. You have to be able to take a punch because you're going to get hit. Even bads in highsec have drones.

Each race has two general combat frigates in addition to their T1 logi, tackle, EWAR and exploration hulls. I guess it's fair to say that one of those is focused on defense and one on damage projection, for each race. The Amarr defensive oriented (tanking) frigate is the punisher, and it's trash for solo because it lacks a third mid slot, denying it the ability to fit a web plus scram combo for range control. It's too slow to kite and used really only as bait, though I've had some success with it in highsec shenanigans against idiots in big slow things.

The ships you want to look into are the Tormentor, Tristan, Breacher and Merlin. The first two are currently at the top of the heap. The condor can work as a kiter or an AB brawler surprise fit, probably the most viable T1 tackle frigate - but will still struggle against Tristans with their full flight of drones.

Here are some of the most common and effective PvP fits for T1 frigs - hope it helps.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50581330/ (mwd kite tristan)

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50580794/ (hull buffer AAR brawler)

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50580588/ (scram kite beam tormentor)

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50570125/ (point and annoy condor, one of many variants)

Highsec baiting is a different can of worms, you need something tanky enough to hold out while you kill the drones off whatever shitfit mission boat or mining barge was feeling brave. C & P subforum is a good resource for that area of interest.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#25 - 2015-12-08 10:18:06 UTC
Uhm, they are hilariously capable and quite powerful in the right hands when used solo or small group.
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#26 - 2015-12-08 12:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Solai
If you're looking for fights, you might have luck finding them in the staging systems of null-sec alliances. Usually someone's game to 1v1. The trick is finding the right systems, and the right alliances. And showing up during the right time zone. You can probably ask someone directly when and where they're based, and you can tell them why you're asking. Likely, they'll enthusiastically give you the info you need. So find a large alliance you'd like to pick on, figure out their staging system, figure out when they're online, and now you've got one hot spot for fights. You could also check your map stats for ships and pods destroyed, or pilots in space.

Good luck.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#27 - 2015-12-10 23:06:53 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
From the devblog No Brakes - Ship and module balancing in Retribution 1.1
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Ancillary Armor Repairers


OMG!

This entire time I've been thinking
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer was just another meta AR like:

Small Inefficient Armor Repair Unit

smacks head. I remember reading that devblog too, but I was at sea and unable to put anything into practice at the time.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-12-11 00:38:45 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
(I've yet to play an MMO where hybrid characters actually work)

Shadowbane, although it's closed now.
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