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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Ascendic
Polaris Syndicate
#2261 - 2012-01-08 05:25:19 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot.

It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content.


Shooting people in the face is roleplaying crap?


I like to shoot my gf in the face when we are done roleplaying.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2262 - 2012-01-08 05:28:02 UTC
Ascendic wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot.

It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content.


Shooting people in the face is roleplaying crap?


I like to shoot my gf in the face when we are done roleplaying.



giggidy giggidy
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2263 - 2012-01-08 05:28:27 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content.

How on earth is spaceship content "fake" in an internet spaceship game?

This is what I mean when I say the pro-WiS crowd has become crazy.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2264 - 2012-01-08 07:01:50 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content.

How on earth is spaceship content "fake" in an internet spaceship game?


Possibly because they are not real spaceships, ergo they are fake.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2265 - 2012-01-08 07:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Doc Fury wrote:


EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.

Sound familiar?

You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you.


Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it?


2011.12.09 20:24 is when you first posted in these forums. You've been in a NPC corp for almost 5 years and most likely have very little standing built up with NPC Agents, Factions and Corps. Probably have just enough skills trained up to scout and light a cyno. This tells me that someone has brought you here in an attempt to bolster and give credence to all Anti-WiS posted replies. Obviously this type of facade is being done by a few different players.

Since you're almost 5 years old, you know damn well that WiS and WoD have not been taking all of the Dev Resources for +4 years. That's gotta be the biggest nonfactual statement that I've seen yet in this thread. Also grouping WiS and WoD together shows a complete lack of information on your part.

Players have been asking CCP to fix and finish game content ever since Beta. Players have also been asking for WiS ever since Ambulation was revealed.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2266 - 2012-01-08 08:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Ladie Harlot wrote:


There is no upside for CCP giving any more specific information. The space barbie fetishists are crazy people and won't accept the info that has already been given and if they sent any other devs in here they would just be abused by people who are demanding that CCP take actions that they know will be harmful to the future of their game.

Any more posted remarks made by you or any other players using terms or making references such as 'Space barbie fetishists', 'Crazy', 'Crybabies', etc. will be reported as offensive, insulting troll remarks intended to berate players and incite a Flame war.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Please explain what this wonderful poast has to do with space barbie, ladie harlot.

It's a bunch of roleplaying crap. If the devs spend any time on garbage like that it would take away from real Eve content.

Actually that post has a lot of good ideas for potential new game play to enhance Eve content which doesn't pertain much to role playing.

Obviously you didn't bother to read it and your use of the word 'crap' and 'garbage' to describe it is both insulting and offensive. This type of vindictive posting is not beneficial or helpful to the Community and portrays the Forum Community in a negative viewpoint.
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2267 - 2012-01-08 09:35:16 UTC
I think emotions run a bit high here at the moment. Can you haters please stop to repeat insulting people?

But I have to be fair here. We really do have the answer from CCP that WiS is on the backburner and we will not see any new WiS related content in the near future. We might not like it, but the haters are right on this. We know through other threads and dev blogs that devs posted that there are currently no devs working on the graphical aspects of WiS and that teams who worked on WiS content were moved to other teams or given other tasks.

Yes, it is a bit frustrating that they didn't answered that questions in this thread that is all about WiS and that they seem to ignore our questions. Yes, we have some questions (I already stated a few) that we would like to have answered and that we are not that clear about. But I can understand that they simply don't want to or don't can answer them at the moment. I'm not demanding anything. There is no reason to make such an uproar. Let's wait until fanfest, maybe we get some new infos about the future of WiS there.
If they will refuse to tell us anything about it at fanfest, we can still start our uproar Blink and shoot the Jita Monument or something...

Even that I really would like WiS to "happen", I can understand the tough decision CCP made and I wouldn't quit when WiS wouldn't happen.

So my messege to the supporters is: Please stay calm and don't let the haters troll you. We will get our answers sooner or later and if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, he can.
Disdaine
#2268 - 2012-01-08 09:55:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Disdaine
Ladie Harlot wrote:

It's a bunch of roleplaying crap.


Real spaceship pilot checking in.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/09/30/laliberte-cp-RTXP3UO.jpg
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2269 - 2012-01-08 10:01:00 UTC
Arcathra wrote:
I think emotions run a bit high here at the moment. Can you haters please stop to repeat insulting people?

But I have to be fair here. We really do have the answer from CCP that WiS is on the backburner and we will not see any new WiS related content in the near future. We might not like it, but the haters are right on this. We know through other threads and dev blogs that devs posted that there are currently no devs working on the graphical aspects of WiS and that teams who worked on WiS content were moved to other teams or given other tasks.

Yes, it is a bit frustrating that they didn't answered that questions in this thread that is all about WiS and that they seem to ignore our questions. Yes, we have some questions (I already stated a few) that we would like to have answered and that we are not that clear about. But I can understand that they simply don't want to or don't can answer them at the moment. I'm not demanding anything. There is no reason to make such an uproar. Let's wait until fanfest, maybe we get some new infos about the future of WiS there.
If they will refuse to tell us anything about it at fanfest, we can still start our uproar Blink and shoot the Jita Monument or something...

Even that I really would like WiS to "happen", I can understand the tough decision CCP made and I wouldn't quit when WiS wouldn't happen.

So my messege to the supporters is: Please stay calm and don't let the haters troll you. We will get our answers sooner or later and if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, he can.


All your argument clashes against a single fact:

There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community.

And nobody of them has come and said anything relevant to the topic sicne CCP Phantom's platitude that 3 CQs were to be released. Every other piece of info we've got we've got it elsewhere, by indirect means. Nobody has taken 5 minutes to come here and a say "now you must wait, that's all we got to say".

If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so. That would be end of thread.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2270 - 2012-01-08 10:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
You can dock your ship in my real station any day.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so.



PARADOX
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2271 - 2012-01-08 10:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
[quote=Doc Fury][quote=Kuronaga]
When your pissed off fanbase has a 100+ page threadnaught,

Very, very few posts in this thread are pro-WiS. Also 100 pages isn't a threadnaught.


You're talking crap as usual. Most of the people in this thread are in favour of the idea behind WIS in some form or another. There are just a few pathetic people like yourself that keep spamming the same old crap without being able to make any valid arguments.
Taiwanistan
#2272 - 2012-01-08 10:56:01 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Arcathra wrote:
I think emotions run a bit high here at the moment. Can you haters please stop to repeat insulting people?

But I have to be fair here. We really do have the answer from CCP that WiS is on the backburner and we will not see any new WiS related content in the near future. We might not like it, but the haters are right on this. We know through other threads and dev blogs that devs posted that there are currently no devs working on the graphical aspects of WiS and that teams who worked on WiS content were moved to other teams or given other tasks.

Yes, it is a bit frustrating that they didn't answered that questions in this thread that is all about WiS and that they seem to ignore our questions. Yes, we have some questions (I already stated a few) that we would like to have answered and that we are not that clear about. But I can understand that they simply don't want to or don't can answer them at the moment. I'm not demanding anything. There is no reason to make such an uproar. Let's wait until fanfest, maybe we get some new infos about the future of WiS there.
If they will refuse to tell us anything about it at fanfest, we can still start our uproar Blink and shoot the Jita Monument or something...

Even that I really would like WiS to "happen", I can understand the tough decision CCP made and I wouldn't quit when WiS wouldn't happen.

So my messege to the supporters is: Please stay calm and don't let the haters troll you. We will get our answers sooner or later and if someone wants to take the appropriate steps, he can.


All your argument clashes against a single fact:

There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community.

And nobody of them has come and said anything relevant to the topic sicne CCP Phantom's platitude that 3 CQs were to be released. Every other piece of info we've got we've got it elsewhere, by indirect means. Nobody has taken 5 minutes to come here and a say "now you must wait, that's all we got to say".

If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so. That would be end of thread.

i thought what Arcathra was pretty reasonable, and has a good grasp of the situation
while you and the OP issler sound dumber by the post,
those ccp staff you are referring to are the community managers/spokespersons and their job is to relay ccp's stance
which they have already done by choosing not to respond,

it took 6 months after the anom nerfs, with its many overnight threadnaughts, the genuinely massive outcries
for ccp greyscale to state "ok it wasn't such a great idea, i will re-visit this issue in a few months"
so you can't wait for 2 months until fanfest? jesus christ

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2273 - 2012-01-08 11:00:29 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
You can dock your ship in my real station any day.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


If they have nothing to say, then they should come here and say so.



PARADOX


Not at all. Not say anything = passive action; saying you don't have anything to say = active action. They're whole different beasts, yet both imply an action and thus responsability.

So far CCP is responsible for not doing anything about this thread, and so we correspondingly keep the thread alive and demand an action to be taken.

I really hope this doesn't confuses you mind, as in my experience some people (sane and adult) really have a hard time grasping the concept of passive responsability. What?
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#2274 - 2012-01-08 11:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuko Nuki
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


All your argument clashes against a single fact:

There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community.



Yes, but as we all know customer service's only goal is to do as little as possible until they're fired or find another job.

edit: actually this applies to most of CCP
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2275 - 2012-01-08 11:14:12 UTC
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


All your argument clashes against a single fact:

There is CCP staff whose only purpose is to talk to community.



Yes, but as we all know customer service's only goal is to do as little as possible until they're fired or find another job.

edit: actually this applies to most of CCP


That's cheap, dude. Roll
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2276 - 2012-01-08 12:01:41 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
I'm sorry to hear it would take away from your real fake internet spaceship content.

How on earth is spaceship content "fake" in an internet spaceship game?


Possibly because they are not real spaceships, ergo they are fake.


Flame tag :
Maybe Ladie Harlot is one of those neo-conservatives who thinks that we all live in some kind of MATRIX and the **** he do in EVE have some relevance on other dimension, therefore it is REAL but not in our REALITY Big smile
/ flame

*Keeps reading.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2277 - 2012-01-08 14:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.

Sound familiar?

You guys are bitching because CCP has not said or done anything visibly with WIS for 2 months. My tiny violin, let me play it for you.


Seriously, I think you guys can wait until fanfest. If not, unsub until then assuming they throw you a bone in March. Maybe they have a big surprise for you? If so, where/when do you think they will announce it?


2011.12.09 20:24 is when you first posted in these forums. You've been in a NPC corp for almost 5 years and most likely have very little standing built up with NPC Agents, Factions and Corps. Probably have just enough skills trained up to scout and light a cyno. This tells me that someone has brought you here in an attempt to bolster and give credence to all Anti-WiS posted replies. Obviously this type of facade is being done by a few different players.

Since you're almost 5 years old, you know damn well that WiS and WoD have not been taking all of the Dev Resources for +4 years. That's gotta be the biggest nonfactual statement that I've seen yet in this thread. Also grouping WiS and WoD together shows a complete lack of information on your part.

Players have been asking CCP to fix and finish game content ever since Beta. Players have also been asking for WiS ever since Ambulation was revealed.


Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in *gasp* mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and more broken, unfinished content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology.

I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life.

You also need to train reading comprehension to at least level 3, because I never said ALL Dev resources were diverted to WIS and WOD. I said EVE core gameplay was starved, and because of that we got half-baked unfinished expansions and unpatched bugs were left to languish. Also, WIS (incarna) and the underlying tech (Carbon) developed for WIS are very much tied to WOD, CCP built it as a foundation for WOD and we are its beta testers who pay for that privilege. It seems you being incredulous here, or maybe you just don't have a clue what you are talking about. I suspect both are true.

But hey, nice try at an ad hominem attack, I guess you have run out of real arguments why CCP should waste time responding to you again here after they already have. I think you need another layer of tinfoil for your hat.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2278 - 2012-01-08 19:13:49 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Any more posted remarks made by you or any other players using terms or making references such as 'Space barbie fetishists', 'Crazy', 'Crybabies', etc. will be reported as offensive, insulting troll remarks intended to berate players and incite a Flame war.

lol

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Obviously you didn't bother to read it and your use of the word 'crap' and 'garbage' to describe it is both insulting and offensive. This type of vindictive posting is not beneficial or helpful to the Community and portrays the Forum Community in a negative viewpoint.

I read every word of his post. It was horrible.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2279 - 2012-01-08 19:14:14 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in *gasp* mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and broken content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology.

Heh, I can also claim I have 1/2 dozen alts doing all sorts of different things. None of that matters. The only thing your reply does is confirm you are posting with an alt character which helps lend credence and validation to others that share the same viewpoint. I never said it was a big conspiracy but that's a good representation. Basically it's known as 'Stacking The Deck'.

I highly doubt CCP begged you to come back. The free game time offer via Hilmar's apology was done way before December but hey, I understand you wanted to wait for the expansion even though the dreaded cash shop and various unfinished / broken game content is still in the game.

FYI - Everyone here is Pro-FiS.

Doc Fury wrote:
I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life.


Referencing the old forums is irrelevant to this thread. By the way, I was very active on those as well and quite frankly, I don't recognize your name.

Doc Fury wrote:
You also need to train reading comprehension to at least level 3, because I never said ALL Dev resources were diverted to WIS and WOD. I said EVE core gameplay was starved, and because of that we got half-baked unfinished expansions and unpatched bugs were left to languish. Also, WIS (incarna) and the underlying tech (Carbon) developed for WIS are very much tied to WOD, CCP built it as a foundation for WOD and we are its beta testers who pay for that privilege. It seems you being incredulous here, or maybe you just don't have a clue what you are talking about. I suspect both are true.

It seems you're intentionally trying to derail this thread with off-topic subject matter and insults here, or maybe you're just venting some pent up anger and lashing out at everything. I suspect both are true.

I don't remember CCP ever saying we were Beta Testing WoD. That is a rumor which some players seem to think is factual truth. I'm fairly certain that the Carbon Tech wasn't developed mainly for WoD. Anyway, this is a whole different subject matter which also doesn't pertain to this thread.

As for Incarna, everyone agrees that it was a fail expansion. However, Incarna is the name of the expansion which introduced the NEX Store, MT and a poorly optimized unfinished Captains Quarters that CCP tried to pass off as WiS. The WiS that everyone expected was Ambulation which wasn't delivered.

Talk about reading comprehension, I think you should re-read your original statement -
Doc Fury wrote:
EVE core gameplay and half-baked features included with "expansions" have been starved for DEV resources for the last 4+ years, primarily because of WIS and WOD, with players begging CCP to just fix and finish what they started the whole time.

During the past +4 years, there has been a lot of different Eve core gameplay content added. Apocrypha, released 2009, is considered one of the better expansions with a lot of game content.

Doc Fury wrote:
But hey, nice try at an ad hominem attack, I guess you have run out of real arguments why CCP should waste time responding to you again here after they already have. I think you need another layer of tinfoil for your hat.

First of all, I never once posted that I want a response from CCP. However, it would be nice to see a CCP Dev post in this thread pertaining to the future of WiS.

As for the Ad hominem attack, seems you do that rather well along with insulting others.

Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2280 - 2012-01-08 19:25:41 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


Was there a point in there someplace, because if so I am missing it. Are you now claiming my posting in this thread is a part of some big conspiracy? Yes, this is an alt, which happens to be 5 years old. I have others much older and younger. I dunno' about you, but I'm one of those players with multiple accounts and alts. I even have some of those dirty industrial alts, and have participated in *gasp* mining as well as PVP and nullsec political faggotry. I also am one of those Pro-FIS people that unsubbed last year when CCP tried to force a cash shop and more broken, unfinished content down our throats under the guise of :excellence:. I came back in December when CCP begged me to via free game time on the cusp of Hilmar's apology.

I'd suggest that you check out the old forums where I was very vocal about the direction of the game and CCP incompetence for most of this character's 5 year life.


I lolled.

1) CCP offers every unsubbed account a reactivation offer after x amount of months. I've received many in between taking breaks from Eve and never threatened to rage quit over an expansion.

2) CCP didn't force a MT cash shop or broken content down your throat. They gave you outfits via breaking down plex and the foundations for WiS (I saw plenty of blogs and posts on what they were and still are planning for WiS, but I never saw a single dev blog saying Incarna will be 100% finished in 1 expansion). But whatever helps keep your justification for extortion/blackmail afloat sugar.

3) The old forums are rife with Testies and Goons *cough* Mittens *cough* threatening to rage quit and demanded CCP focus on space boats and doing things their way... or else. Then again, as a CSM member with the odd 6k members and 4k pets supporting your policies or they risk facing das boot, it's not hard to see why the CSM advocated the changes they did.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!