Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, that's just you, bleating to degrade a working mechanic so that you can rat without any risk.

We want cloaks to stay the way they are, since they're balanced at present. But then, more than anything else, carebears hate balance, because in a balanced game they will always lose, since they aren't real players.

And now we know for sure that he's never been in a wormhole.

Look how he tries to give a loaded question.

Game balance is not subject to your bullshit qualifications. There is no way to do what you say, and that is both right and proper, and working as intended.

If you could reliably decloak a cov ops pilot from that distance, you would have completely, utterly broken cloaks at the conceptual level. They would very literally not work as intended.

Which is of course what you want, you want them to be ruined. You aren't fooling anyone with your lies and dishonesty.

"Waah, non consensual PvP still exists!"

Pretty much your entire argument in a nutshell. Too afraid of being the one under attack.

Not when you already admitted it's all just to keep your precious shiny ships alive. It's not about balance at all, it's just to protect assets you should not be flying in the first place if you can't afford to risk them.

Explain why your ship in particular is so special it should be 100% safe in space?

Let me explain. The system I outlined didn't expose ships. It made cloaked ships show as "Unknown Anomaly" or some other generic term, while generating false positives several per hour similar signitures that were just random cans and such in space, and the false positives would degrade in 2 hours like cans. You could fly to each one and eliminate it, and new ones would spawn in there time, so it is possible to temporarily clear a system, but not forever. In a wormhole there would not even be a name in local to alert people, you are just one more generic hit in a system full of them. You might be run down, but the suggested ship for this is a cov-ops or equivalent, so hardly the most deadly thing in space.

That breaks nothing, but does provide an active means of degrading your perfect safety. Even your theoretical titan is no more at risk than anyone else until actively discovered, unless you choose to reveal it yourself.

No, that's still you, crying for the right to rat without any uncertainty or interference.




Ask yourself first. You're the only one asking for perfect safety in nullsec.

Please, don't dare try and pull that utterly disingenuous claptrap. A simple glance over my killboard reveals I'm no stranger to risk, or PvP in low, null and J space.

I give you a slew of examples of things your hairbrained scheme would break and you attempt to jedi handwave it all away despite having no experience in the area whatsoever.

Then you think it is reasonable for a returning player after YEARS of dormancy to be pinging an escort just to log in whilst in the same breath saying it's "unreasonable" to PvE with a PvP fit.

You tie yourself in nonsensical knots trying to explain why local isn't related when it is, trying to handwave away the fact the only complaints are coming from the anomaly squatters and that somehow, other areas of space (lowsec) are magically immune to cloaky cynos hunting caps.

You're lecturing people about mechanics you don't use or understand, about areas of space it's obvious you've never actually lived in.

You're the worst kind of armchair balancer.



That titan wasn't theoretical, here are snippets of local at the time:

[01:11:28] FomkA > i have not be loggin for 3 years
[01:11:29] FomkA > how the ufck
[01:11:31] FomkA > lol
[01:11:35] waris good > lol
[01:11:39] waris good > we been watching you for that long


He wasn't kidding, either. So, please find me something similar for a miner. Go on, I'll be genuinely impressed.

Stopping it right there. If you don't have the people, the solution is to go find the people not change a game mechanic to suit your desire to solo play when solo play in an MMO sandbox game is always going to be problematic, no matter what one is doing. Heck even people who "play solo" do so with alts. Alts for boosting, scouts, logistics, etc. Is that really "solo"? Alot of players would say no.

So one clear counter to AFK cloakers...numbers. Rat like people mine. People who mine will have a number of mining ships, a boosting rorqual, a POS, and so forth.

Oh now we are back to the timer issue.

Again, why should a non-AFK player have his game play nerfed by to get at AFK players? That is just simply bad game design.

And same with all of the various "scan them down" approaches.

And finally, if I am at a safe spot and I am cloaked....why should I have to be vulnerable considering that,

1. I pose, literally, no actual risk to anyone.
2. I acquire literally no in-game assets of any kind at all (aside from the same assets I could acquire in station--e.g. PI, managing market orders, etc.).

Frankly, I don't see the issue here. Not all ships face the same level of risk when in space. In fact, the level of risk is dependent not on just game mechanics, but also on player actions. For example, in which of the two cases is the ship more at risk?

1. A carrier pilot jumps to a jump beacon without a scout.
2. A carrier pilot jumps to a jump beacon with a scout.

Case 1 has the most risk.

1. A carrier pilot jumps to a jump beacon with a scout.
2. A carrier pilot jumps to a well placed cyno on station.

Case 1 again. Clearly we need to nerf something here because a player taking measures to be safe…why that’s ridiculous.

The cloaking parallel is not simply that there is a cloak fitted to the ship, but that the pilot took the time and effort to create a safe spot where his ship is safe while the cloak is activated. Just as the carrier pilot either took the effort himself or via a friend to set up a cyno on station allowing for very safe travel.