Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am purely shocked at your dogmatic adherence. You are going to defend the eternal perfect safety of someone who just wants to protect their carrier from being hunted, because it's too valuable to risk logging in.

Nice to see you have no problem with your hilarious double standard. I guess for you guys it really was all about ISK and never about balance at all.

Sorry, forgot your narcissism prevents following along with other peoples words.

With my suggestion cloaking starts with a high degree of safety and gets degraded over time by the active efforts of hunters. You know, so you can hunt others while cloaked, but you can't stay afk forever.

That was but one of the ways in which your "won't somebody think of the carebears" idea fell flat on its arse. There are many more, but that's the more extreme end of pain.

I can't even fly a titan, on any toon. But I've been part of groups who hunted them.

Let's just recap here, according to you, the following is unreasonable effort:

>Using a PvP fit
>Moving to another system
>Playing as a small group in an MMO

Yet the following is not unreasonable:

>Logging into the game after a 2-3 year hiatus. Demands full supercap escort fleet be formed simply so you can log in or some sort of diplomatic protection be arranged, because you know, #REKKINGCREW will totally respect that.

Note for clarity, a full supercap escort fleet is substantially more effort than gathering a few mates to run sites together.


Seriously, I've no nicer way to say this any more. Come back when you have the even first clue about what it is you're talking about, what you want to break.


My god man, just read what you're saying.

Its actually just a variant of being able to track down cloaked ships at least when modified as follows:

Seekers, Drifters and the aptly named Jovian Observatories have advanced sensors and the innate ability to generally localize cloaked ships. While not usually hostile, they do actively seek out contraband entosis links and will attempt to decloak ships to verify their entosis status.

So Jovian ships and observatories will occasionally scan for cloaked ships, warp to somewhere on the new big grid and try to decloak it. Players can be prompted to know this is taking place by noting jovian scans are searching outwards into space.

It gives players some options. They can use visual input for a very rough triangulation and head out in that direction, or players can simply scan down drifters/seekers and go check out the grid they are examining. Either way, the chance of decloaking is immeasurably greater than a completely random search.

It also fits the Eve storyline somewhat in addition to holding promise that someday, human controlled gangs might be able to triangulate their way onto a cloaker's grid using reverse engineered jovian scanners (assuming some modest tweaks to dscan mechanics that allow for warp to grid instead of needing a fixed location).
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On timer based cloaks. The naysayers here have two views. 1. It will break cloaks. 2. It will never be worthwhile to try and catch a cloaker in the window available. If we assume both are true, then neither are. The timer based issue is simply a question of finding the balance point between breaking cloaks and never worthwhile.

"With my suggestion cloaking starts with a high degree of safety and gets degraded over time by the active efforts of hunters."

Is incidentally also a timer based cloak mechanism, with a conditional "active efforts of hunters".

No really. The hypocrisy is beautiful. So all we need to do to be worthy of perfect safety is field the more expensive ship. Just want to be clear.

Because I never said those things were too much effort. I said they were unreasonable if your goal is PvE. At that point you just go to high sec for less effort, less ISK, and better rewards.

You think the biggest, most robust ships in the game should be perfectly safe, because 'reasons', but miners need fleet support.

And there we have it.

And the simplest way to achieve that, is to bin local.

But noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo that's not cool.

Of course. Their one and only goal is risk free carebearing, no matter what they have to break to get it. They will sacrifice the game itself if they have to, say anything, do anything to justify ruining this game.

In nullsec, certainly. It would make sense from a lore perspective as well, since with the whole "empires losing their grasp" thing they've got going on, the NPC groups stop being able to support the gate network that makes local a thing to begin with.




They're not invulnerable, and to say they are is a lie.

Regardless, if local were deleted, they would have to actively search the system to know whether there was a target in the area or not.

He doesn't. He just wants to make sure any and all risk is purely one sided. I am now glad he came to this thread. He has finally and incontrovertibly shown himself for the true lieing troll he is.

All the blurf about how every freighter should explode at his mere ill intent if not escorted because it's a capital ship just evaporated. Every snide remark about PvE players just wanting to protect their ISK at the expense of his own playstyle just got shown to be nothing more than yellow cowardace running down his leg.

All for thee and none for me indeed. Truely an awesome time, and all it took was for one scared person to finally admit they just want to leave cloaks they are no matter what to make sure their own expensive ships remain safe and sound because someone might want to hunt them. He is so dogmaticly focused on his hatred of PvE playstyles that he will nod along with anything at all that opposes them like a good little sheep.