Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Choosing a system with local cleared, keeping yourself awake and aware, being prepared to get to safety at all times *is* putting out constant effort. As it should be.

No one stops taking those actions with any expectation of remaining unexploded unless they are under a cloak--- which makes them 100% perfectly safe so long as they choose.

Making it so you have to watch and move around a bit to maintain their cloaked safety---which should never be 100%--- would not break cloaks, and would put everyone on equal footing. again as it should be.

You want to discuss different arrangements for intel, then start a thread on intel.

This is the appropriate thread to discuss it as it relates to the balance of cloaking devices. You don't get to dishonestly silence disagreement that easily.

And having you move around, staying more than 2k away from people trying to break your cloak does not stop you from doing that.

Ever tried bombing?

Ever tried getting a warp in to a hostile fleet, which is probably moving, without using probes to give away the manoeuvre?

Ever tried to scout a target in highsec without every tom, **** and harry trying for a decloak for laughs?

Ever been sat out in space in your blops fleet waiting on the enemy jumping into the trap?

Ever been in a cap/supercap with hostiles in system where your ONLY recourse is to cloak until downtime?

Of course you haven't. Because if you had, you'd see why this idea is terrible.

If they have a clue at all then you have broken cloaks, which exist to reward patient hunting by enabling surprise attacks against targets of opportunity.

I'll ask for a second time.

List out your suggestion in detail. I want to see it all in one post, not just snippets here and there.

How fast, exactly, do you think an Aeon is going to move under a cloak?

Dear lord, you genuinely don't understand the mechanics you'll affect with your idea. That's like balance 101: What are the side effects. Well, 102. 101 is "Is there a problem I am fixing" and this entire trainwreck falls at that first hurdle.

Again your inexperience betrays you.

sigh.


People don't wait for years for a miner to log on. It's not exactly a valid comparison.

Actually, it is.

The fact that you are flying the more valuable target makes the comparison that much better.

I mean, you think it's reasonable to force whole defense fleets to be on call at all times while a minor target is in space, but also ok that a carrier be unsupported, completely safe, while in open space.

Now that's some entitled double standard gold right there.

I can understand why you would want that. But really? You can't muster some support for a multi billion ISK ship, but you expect whole fleets to be on call for every ratter and miner out there?

So someone who hasn't logged in for over 2 years, might not even have a corp any more, should be forced to call a fleet just to log in? Do me a favour.

Back up there, remember you're from the camp that can't be arsed ratting in a PvP ship (isk/hour), or with some friends (isk/hour). Let's discuss "reasonable effort" here.

Nope. You start with a high degree of safety. Talk about making a problem to help a very specific group. We should leave it like this just to benefit returning cap pilots until they can get in a Corp? What about when they let them back in high sec again... Will that be enough of a binky for you?

I mean... You got yourself a cap, and can't be bothered to defend it? All the talk of alts watching every system around, and you can't field a diplomat chat alt to arrange a new home? Or some cyno alts to bounce it around a bit? Maybe to keep it in warp between some safes? Remember how staying aligned and ready to move counts as zero effort to you?

Comedy Gold. All that derision over isk/hr, and when it finally comes out your argument is your loot pinata is worth more than mine? LOL.