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Trial ACCT Multi login Restrictions

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Vassago Goth
Salty Farts and Daydreams
#1 - 2015-12-06 12:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vassago Goth
First, this may be in the wrong topic, if so could a dev properly move this?

As most of you, I have MANY alts....and I just made a new one to round out my 8man Mining Fleet.
The issue I have aren't the restrictions for Trial..I think their fine...except one...the very, very old restriction for people to log a paid and a trial acount on the same pc. Honestly, with the restrictions to skills/ships etc on trial accounts and the fact that well more than half the population of eve HAVE alts, it seems rather archaic and restrictive to enforce that.
Now I know some fanboys/girls will probably be annoyed by this, but this is a legitimate issue...to Log off your trial, then log on your paid, contract/give/mail the isk or plex to activate the trial or trade items is very restrictive in a sandbox environment.
I see no reason WHY a trial should be limited in this way, in fact the benefits would be much better in fact if we could run a trial WITH our paid accts at the same time, on the same PC.

I know CCP has had issues ongoing with the new player experience...at the moment you are trying to make it a better situation, but at present its a hodgepodge of confusing, unnecessary steps. Maybe I miss the old days, but watching my wife log in the first time(Who by the way has ALOT of PC game experience) and trying to navigate things, constantly asking questions, when those questions SHOULD be covered in a tutorial or a better streamlined experience..the Opportunities/Aura map is horrible...it COULD be much better but it has a very distinct, unfinished feel to it.
There's my gripes..PLZ CCP, consider the lifting of the trial/Paid multibox issue....

One other note:
I just tried to contract to my trial some items she could sell to plex her acct....Unknowing to me, Trial accts cant accept contracts.....Come on now....that's nuts....Let alone I couldn't even REJECT the contract to revert the items back to me, so I could fly 46 jumps to HS and SELL them myself...now I have to wait 3days for the contract to expire...that in it of itself is broken...Trials should be allowed to at least accept 1 contract(Maybe not Create a contract) and at LEAST accept one from the same corp/Alliance....that's just wrong...

Thx alot

Vassago Goth
ASS3 Corp
SMA Alliance
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2015-12-06 12:18:28 UTC
You whine a lot and you're using "logic" to further your own cause which anyone with a brain can see right through. Also this has no place in newbie Q&A.


Sooo, you have 8 miners you say.
Vassago Goth
Salty Farts and Daydreams
#3 - 2015-12-06 12:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vassago Goth
Gregor Parud wrote:
You whine a lot and you're using "logic" to further your own cause which anyone with a brain can see right through. Also this has no place in newbie Q&A.


Sooo, you have 8 miners you say.



Obviously, you ignored the first sentence. Second, I will chalk you up to a fanboy/girl which I stated in a following sentence on the first paragraph....lastly, I expected negative comments from people/players, like yourself..Also your obvious "trolling" and negativity on your previous posts on the forum speaks for itself.

Fly safe
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#4 - 2015-12-06 12:35:35 UTC
Vassago Goth wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
You whine a lot and you're using "logic" to further your own cause which anyone with a brain can see right through. Also this has no place in newbie Q&A.


Sooo, you have 8 miners you say.



Obviously, you ignored the first sentence. Second, I will chalk you up to a fanboy/girl which I stated in a following sentence on the first paragraph....lastly, I expected negative comments from people/players, like yourself..Also your obvious "trolling" and negativity on your previous posts on the forum speaks for itself.

Fly safe

Every choice you made with this thread, where you posted it, what your posted and what :reasons: you used... combined with what you do in game and the alliance you're in all pretty much point to the same thing.
Vassago Goth
Salty Farts and Daydreams
#5 - 2015-12-06 13:28:48 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Vassago Goth wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
You whine a lot and you're using "logic" to further your own cause which anyone with a brain can see right through. Also this has no place in newbie Q&A.


Sooo, you have 8 miners you say.



Obviously, you ignored the first sentence. Second, I will chalk you up to a fanboy/girl which I stated in a following sentence on the first paragraph....lastly, I expected negative comments from people/players, like yourself..Also your obvious "trolling" and negativity on your previous posts on the forum speaks for itself.

Fly safe

Every choice you made with this thread, where you posted it, what your posted and what :reasons: you used... combined with what you do in game and the alliance you're in all pretty much point to the same thing.


I honestly think it's funny the general dislike of players who have chosen to join any imperium alliance...I can understand from the far past, the reasoning, but now...It's like disliking someone because of how they look...Shallow and incapable of empathy...Of course I am not here to defend my CHOICE of which alliance/corp I join. I am writing this to get a valid conversation on an issue that seems a holdover from "olden" times that is unnecessary.
I am also not here to be derisive, like yourself. If it is your joy in life to make other people on the game feel uncomfortable, or generally be an ***hole, that is again, your choice. Sandbox...
I would however state: that since joining SMA/ASS3 I have been quite enjoying EvE again after so many years. The people in the corp and alliance are extremely nice, helpful, considerate, and overall it's been a positive experience. Not to mention profitable. We have some extremely competent players whom have shown great patience to newer players I have seen join....again SMA can defend themselves, and they do regularly..

Your dislike for my "CHOICES", is your own opinion, and yes the topic is in the wrong spot, which I acknowledged from the first line...Unfortunately, people like you, who enjoy trolling, inciting hostility or other negative emotions, never seem to get it...It's like your a scratched record skipping and repeating the same phrase(s) over and over..I find it quite amusing....other than yourself, I would love to hear peoples opinion on the TOPIC in question..not this tit-for-tat b.s. going on between myself and you....
Enjoy
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#6 - 2015-12-06 13:34:07 UTC
An endless amount of free scouts.. Yeah.. This is just what we need..
If you need more scouts, at least pay for them.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Vassago Goth
Salty Farts and Daydreams
#7 - 2015-12-06 13:35:48 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
An endless amount of free scouts.. Yeah.. This is just what we need..
If you need more scouts, at least pay for them.


Oh i didn't even consider that tbh...
Sylvia Austrene
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2015-12-06 14:06:56 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
An endless amount of free scouts.. Yeah.. This is just what we need..
If you need more scouts, at least pay for them.



You can still have endless amounts of free alts. Just roll a new alt using buddy program, activate plex on that account and redeem 30 days game time with your main. Instant free 60-days alt.

All multi login restriction does is put some more effort into wjole process.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-12-06 14:24:06 UTC
You really can't think of any reason why this restriction is in place? How many miners do you think would be paid for if there wasn't one?

To answer your other...uh...statement. You can just cancel the contract from the person who made it.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#10 - 2015-12-06 14:34:57 UTC
Vassago Goth wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
An endless amount of free scouts.. Yeah.. This is just what we need..
If you need more scouts, at least pay for them.


Oh i didn't even consider that tbh...


As said... it all points to pretty much the same thing.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2015-12-06 15:09:28 UTC
I vote to instigate logon restrictions for Vassago Goth and all associated characters post-haste

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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2015-12-06 15:33:17 UTC
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2015-12-06 15:56:15 UTC
Subscribe them properly and you do not have any issues. Trail accounts are there for people to test the game for the first time, not for established people to play with multiple accounts to test new mining fleets. Multiboxing is also in no way a problem that new players have; the one account they have keeps them occupied enough.

With regards to the contracts, you do realize that you can simply delete the contract as the contract creator, right? You do not need to wait till it expires, and even if you do that, you still need to delete it yourself because an expired contract does not automatically deletes itself.
Furthermore, you mentioned in that example a very important reason why there are so many restrictions on Trail Accounts. Being able to simply set up a trail acc to contract stuff over and sell it, then let the trail acc lapse and rinse and repeat another time is broken and abusable.

So, no issues with trail account restrictions as they are. You just won't get the easy life that you sought, and that is good for the game at large.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-12-07 02:51:07 UTC
It's called a "free trial". You can't figure out why the multi log on restriction is there?

If you have 7 paid accounts and are trying to log onto an 8th account you obviously don't need to try anything. Why would you say that CCP preventing vets who have chosen to play the game from logging onto "free trials" at the same time as their paid account is anything but appropriate?

The only time that I can see this being a hindrance to legitimate use of the free trial system is if you are at a friend's house who is just trying the game for the first time and you are showing him the game and in the process want to log onto your own account to give him some isk or ships or something along those lines.

To state more clearly free trials are for people who have never played the game and would like try it before spending money on it. Yes vets do use the free trial system for other things and CCP allows it. However them allowing abuse of the system and them facilitating it are two different things.

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#15 - 2015-12-07 04:02:24 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Subscribe them properly and you do not have any issues. Trail accounts are there for people to test the game for the first time, not for established people to play with multiple accounts to test new mining fleets. Multiboxing is also in no way a problem that new players have; the one account they have keeps them occupied enough.

This. The Trial account restrictions are there to allow people to test whether or not they want to play the game. You are not using it to test but to have free miners. Sure, their output will be a lot less, but if you can have an near unlimited number of trial accounts mining (depending on the computers capacity to run them) you can certainly multibox a bunch of expendable venture mining ships.

The other problem this creates is for those who do pay (whether by sub or paying ISK for paid for PLEX): it de-vaules the cost of ore.

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Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-12-07 14:13:41 UTC
I'm in agreement with those who has stated that given the intended purpose of the trial, there is no need to remove this restriction as it only affects those who already have an account and aren't trialing the game. Furthermore, those established players who wish to trial the expierience of 'having an alt' can do so for a very low fee for 60 days.

Quite franky all this will do is dilute the playerbase accross accounts so that there are effectively fewer actual players, the miners they would run may as well be npcs for all the interaction they would provide. We already have a problem with people not being attentive to their ships, don't we OP? Good fight btw.

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Repo Industries
#17 - 2015-12-07 14:36:22 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
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