Missions & Complexes

People FC fleets while running probing alts at the same time, running multiple blitz alts is easier than that.


You can also run them AFK in missions for a similar amount.


Why would your logi move more than 35 km away from the DPS in an incursion fleet in the first place? There is no reason at all for the logi to be any more than 5km away from the fleet.

So far I have backed up everything I have said with data, charts, guides, fits, spreadsheets and even videos. To date you have provided nothing to back up your argument other than insults and lies.

That is the problem with Baltec and Jenn. Their issue with income in High Sec is with Incursions (which 1.5% run) and lvl 4's (Which are LP value dependent).

Incursions just got a nerf in the form of Logi fitting, module fitting, cycle times, range. Incursions had a nerf before that in drone assist limits. Incursions are about to be nerfed harder by OGB changes.

Is it enough for them? Nope, they minimalize it.

Null sec got Anoms boosted this summer, are they happy? Nope

And their lvl 4 arguments revolve around a broken LP market for 3 total agents in High Sec, only two that are particularly useful. So really they have an issue with the market value of LP, while ignoring the fact they could make 2x as much running the same missions in Null.

And LOL@ "FC's probe on alt accounts while running a fleet so missions are easy to multibox"

Where you flying? MoA?!

Argument here is game balance, tech is just one example of poor balance that benefited a handful of people.

OK how about the FW nerf that stopped us from earning 1 trillion in a single weekend? Its only a handful of people after all.

The FW nerf was due to CCP realizing there was a problem in their code and fixing it. QQ more somewhere else, but code fixes for exploits shouldn't be the hill you decide to die on.

I liked tech being OP & valuable was a conflict driver. you could argue, that more was lost in defending/taking tech (DRF Vs CFC/Morsis mihi northern coalition (not NC.) etc) - hand full, no.

What do you think needs to happen here, what exactly is your argument, that null should be buffed, or the SOE agents should be nerfed?

you have options, you can crash the price of all SOE items, or wait until it becomes saturated enough the LP/isk returns to normal/equilibrium Which will happen.

The argument that nullsec can do same missions/even anom farming is BS.
Coz 95% of null is there for PVP, the other 5% trying to "make a living" is contantly interupted by the 95%.

And the problems we are pointing out are also problems with code that we are exploiting to the max. How about we bring back tracking titans again so we can earn 500mil/hr? I'm sure plex buyers would love for all of that raw isk to flood into the economy.

You can very easily crash any market in this game.

I certainly can agree it does need to be looked at Top down, your ideas would bring some great conflicts, particular the moon mining, but i think alliances that hold sov need some income to balance all the isk required to "live" there.

My idea is a little simpler. leave everything as it is, Missions in Nullsec need to be easier to complete, so the players there can use cheaper ships / pvp ships to do the content.

Imagine If a PVP vexor could complete a nullsec L4 PVE mission.

I'm not a goon so I cant say what they do with their tech money, but I'm sure a lot of that goes into infrastructure, logistics, and SRP, so it is hard to say members don't benefit from it. But it is also a hard to measure figure.

Incursion problems: pull players out of null and into highsec for isk making activities. Is a large isk faucet, when you look at the 1.5% of players run incursions, and then look at the graph showing how much isk is put into game by incursions that is where my problem arises. And also effectively caps LP markets for mission runners.

Missions: Most level 4 agents offer better income than nullsec anoms. pretty much any corp with a decent BPC in a 0.5 or 0.6 system (maybe even higher sec?). Lanngisi is simply the perfect storm of conditions that push income up and is an easy example.

incursion nerf is indirect and hasn't hit yet. I can't say what will happen. If anyone knows what the results of dropping 2 dps for an extra logi + on grid links it would be interesting to know.

if I'm not mistake the main anom change was adding an extra one or two. which doesn't really change income, and barely increases the amount of players that can use a system. Also I don't really like the idea of afk game play.

I agree the jump from FCing to multboxing missions isn't exactly useful. however it does illustrate that some people are either far more dedicated to making things work, or simply just more proficient than other players. If I can do something in eve there are many pilots that can simply do it better than me.

That highsec missions pay as much as they do and are as convenient as they are just doesn't seem very eve to me. One of the stories that helped sell me on eve was of players running out to null, mining ABC ores for an afternoon and being able to buy a GTC. Now it seems like ABCs are damn near everywhere. Also there was a guy flying around ninjaing DED Plexes making billions. By comparison sitting around in highsec running lv4s just isn't a compelling story.

I don't necessarily want to see nerfs like Jenn or baltec1 are proposing, but giving the people that want to get out of highsec better options for income in dangerous space doesn't seem like a bad idea. I also tend to think in terms of isk sinks/faucets, and less isk in game doesn't really seem like a bad thing. Should be interesting to see how many of those 700b x-l citadel bpos sell.


I mostly agree however missions aren't available in a large portion of null. Also cloak+scout+depots are all things that will slow you down. do they slow you down enough that your profit makes it worth it? one of those things I just don't know.


people can only buy so many probe launchers. that said throwing enough people at it that they do crash seems like a huge waste of time. and also potentially counterproductive as I'd guess at least some goons are running for the sanctuary out in x-7o, and making a bunch of isk there.

A long time ago capital weapons used to have decent tracking, and siege modules had a huge tracking debuff so in seige dreads were designed to only hit other dreads or poses. on one of the capital rebalances they gave titans a huge damage bonus. This resulted in people warping titans into anoms at range and blapping pretty much everything.


now titans have a role bonus "turrets fitted to this ship will do reduced damage to small targets" On the max skilled test server thingy I tried shooting something small (and stationary) with a titan gun, it did ~20 damage on a hit.

It was kinda funny watching videos of titans one volleying npc battleships. But perhaps something not good for the game. Although how much of the nerf was because a tracking titan could be used effectively in pvp vs in ratting? Having titans in anoms seems like something that might actually be interesting and generate some content. although I imagine they would stay aligned pretty much all of the time, so maybe not that interesting.

sadly I can't find a good video, although there are a bunch of titan/super carrier kill videos