Missions & Complexes

So it would seem...

I'm not quite sure it's that simple. Granted, I also don't believe their argument that they are just doing it for other people's benefit (won't someone think of the children).

There should be incentive for people to go to nullsec. Activities there's should pay more than equivalent activities in high.

And they do.

The problem is, people are incentivised to go to null not for pve activities, but to pvp. This makes it so there is zero reason for people to move to null if they don't want to pvp for whatever reason, cos as soon as they move and try to do their desired activity in low or null, some douche blows them up.

This is where the idea of rebalancing high and null pve falls down. The reason for the imbalance is the players who prevent the activities taking place in 'their' space. You want to make money with pve? Accept the fact that null is not the right place for that, unless you are part of an alliance that can effectively lock down a massive swathe of space, at which point we basically have another highsec area.

Maybe at that point we could also move mission agents to these null areas. Completely homogenise Eve.

locking down space requires putting ship in space, which is content (you know, for those "douches" that like blowing people up)! and imo right now there are very few reasons to do that at all. There is also the issue of local chat where it is very easy to see neutrals/reds coming so you can safe up typically before they even have a chance to get to you. The closest I ever came to getting caught I was in a long warp when a neutral jumped in and we landed in the same spot, I magically warped out because the pos bookmark was aligned with my warp path. I was in a dominix and they were in a ceptor so there is a chance I could have killed them and gotten out before their friends showed up, but I'll never know. Had a laugh with the guy in local as what happened was so improbable.

also a lot of players do pve in null. the pirate and police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours lights up null very well. many systems are in the 1,000s. some of the busiest are in the 10,000s. Inaya looks to be the busiest highsec at 22,000+ which is quite a bit higher, but as it is a mission system it can support many more players than any null system could hope to.

I don't know that adding agents to most parts of null is the right move, but it would be something that could improve player density. Imo that is something null has lacked.

Tech moon nerf, tracking titan nerf, anom nerf, FW nerf (the one where we could make 1 trillion in a weekend) are a few examples of things I have supported in the past. All of them directly hurt my income, my corps income and my alliances income. I call out game imbalances for what they are even if it negatively impacts me.



I have shown countless times now that they do not. Anoms, the primary activity and income source in null pay at best around the same as highsec level 3 missions.

It is infact just as easy to run 3 accounts in level 4 missions as it is running them in anoms.



Per person its 90 mil at the very most you will get from anoms, this is on par with level 3 missions per person.


Logi sit on top on the fleet, no change for them at all.

Sorry, the sarcasm failed to come across in my wall of plain text there, I don't actually want to homogenise Eve. Personally, and I know that Jenn and Baltec have said they don't want this, I do think nullsec income could do with a polish. The reason is that nerfing the hisec mission runners will be painful to balance, incursions and fw need a different type of balancing, and there isn't enough pull to null. But on the flipside, that null income also needs to be more difficult to access (anoms and whatnot should not be afk activities to be farmed). Higher income for the risk is reasonable, but not to the detriment of all the people in high who don't blitz.

Closing the blitzing loophole sonly affect the few that do know how to blitz.

The "just buff null" thing is bad for 2 obvious reasons:

#1. It 'fixes' something that does not need fixing (60 to 90 mil isk per hour with bonuses from escalations and such depending on how you rat is fine).

#2. It ends up with the exact same result. If you buff null, people in high sec end up with lower "purchasing power" after people in null sec learn how to squeeze the most out of the buffs (like people with scimitars and titan did after CCPs 1st "EHP/Hour" anom buff that made forsaken hubs into frigless monsters spewing 4-500 mil isk per hour).

It's like with everything else, if something is a problem, you fix that problem. Ishtars were a problem, CCP could have just given every single other ship in the game the same drone bonuses and drone bandwidth sufficient to launch 5 sentry drones (I would have loved a 5 sentry drone riftert lol). OR they could not be stupid and just nerf the Ishtar that was just too damn good.

Same here. You can buff the rest of PVE to be as unbalanced as high sec incursions, FW missions and now Burner mission blitzing (meaning that folks like Baltec, me and the rest of null sec that right now already produces 20 trillion isk per month in raw wealth will have a way to spew EVEN MORE STUFF into the game)., OR CCP could just fix the 3 things that are actually unbalanced (along with ending the afk ability of null sec anoms and the nature of 'money moons') but that benefit a very few people and everything is fine and better for everyone (including me).

Some of us simply do not believe in breaking the game (or maintaining unbalanced status quos) for our own benefit. Others, well, this thread shows what others think.

This guy thinks everyone values pixels like he does. The ironic thing is he's projecting, he's probably way richer than I am (Jeve assets says across 4 accounts I'm worth 14 billion isk lol, which is nothing).

He's literally defending a status quo to does benefit people like me and screws the kinds of people he likes (like people in high sec). EVERY TIME I cash in some CONCORD LP (buying bpcs for someone in the LP selling channels I frequent) it basically depresses the value of LP sitting in high sec casual or new player wallets. I should even want to be in high sec on the alt that does incursions. But because of the imbalances, I am there at least part of my play time per month.

It would actually be funnier if it wasn't sad, because the way the Alt is lead by his prejudice into basically supporting the people he thinks he's opposing (people like the Alt are actually very good for my imaginary wallet), he's mirroring what happens in actual real life. It's really too bad we can't talk politics here lol.

This is actually the kind of response you get when you tell the actual truth, probably from an alt of someone already in the conversation.

I am pretty sure you just proved his point with more of that trademark "Attack the messenger" bit you do.