Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I never said anything about removing brackets. I said remove Broadcasts or Overview or both.
Fights small fights would go at the same speed they are now but the larger the fleets get relaying Intel down to every one and making sure every single person in a fleet all have the same target takes longer than 1 person X clicking on something and the rest of the fleet CTRL clicks on a broadcast.
Maybe something simple like broadcasts only work on a squad/wing level would be a start.

What planet are you on? I never said remove brackets, why are you guys keep saying "lol how will you target anything with no overview and no brackets"

I said BROADCASTS, B R O A D C A S T S.. can you read that word? do you understand what a broadcast is and how it is nothing to do with in space brackets.

Your all mad about this but this is how carriers/supers will be used so yer better man up now about this idea.
CCP are adding skill based things back into eve and its about time, and i am hoping they make more things skill based.

Because for any large group, it is standard operating procedure to turn off brackets and set graphics to minimum before heading into a fight.
Otherwise, a player's computer may choke and result in him/her disconnecting.


This means that any sizable fleet completely depends on the overview and broadcasting window to perform any function or have any situational awareness.
Oh yeah... we also change the order things appear on the overview so ships or names are alphabetized.

THAT is why people are ripping your idea.


Citation.

All we have seen thus far is...
- a single Line-of-Sight weapon that people are already leery about because they are not sure how effective (see: non-useless) it will be.
- space carriers using similar mechanics as boat carriers from World of Warships. (which some people are concerned about because... given CCP's track record and their history with drone changes of any kind... will most likely have a tedious interface and the drones will probably attack your own ship before your stated target (yes, this has happened before)).

Other than that... the overview and broadcast system will continue to be an integral (if not the primary) way of how players see and process information regarding the environment around them.
To even consider removing these two things is sheer lunacy as it will make the overall game experience incredibly poor and tedious.

As several people have said, you turn brackets off fora large fight or your system will die. While you probably view this as a feature not a bug, it would render the game unplayable whenever you have more than fifty ships on grid.

Please explain why you want to balance the game by making it impossible to play.

Wait people play with no brackets in this game? i am not even trolling, how can you play this game without all the brackets on.
Want to play at the high end have a high end setup or go to potato mode with the brackets you need.

If your setup cannot handle big fleets don't go to big fleets, or just don't join alliance were that is how they play.

OP not sure why you try, people don't want things to change, they like "blobs" and "security in numbers" and their isk/ships they use in the battle too much.

Imagine if for instance the game would have a module which would Scramble the list of players on grid (in the overview), basically shuffle it around every 2 seconds or so to make targeting harder for people who only know how to warp on grid + target +f1.

I think people would go crazy and leave the game, its not worth it, people long for changes but anyone suggesting a concept for one gets looked down like a crazy person who has played the game for a week and thinks he knows everything :)

Please explain how you'd target anything in this, when you're running at 1 FPS if you're lucky.

http://i.imgur.com/GaWTfqd.jpg

(Not my screenshot, but it makes the point quite nicely.)

I can only assume the rest of your post is, in fact, trolling. Nobody could possibly be that stupid.

What's on screen there is probably only about 200-400 ships + drones. The rest of that fight is off the edges of the screen, hence the massive clutter of brackets around the edge.

Which means it's irrelevant that it was a 4k fight because you aren't seeing the entire fight on screen.

Also without overview, I have no way of telling in a mission which of the 20 enemy ships are at an ideal range + angular velocity for me to engage with my guns. Because to put that much information on screen in any other format all at once would flood the screen.

Now stop being so stubborn and accept the feedback with evidence you are being given.
If you want to break the blob, find other ways that don't ruin the game, rather than insisting on the same terrible idea despite all the reasons you have been given against it.

On that pic he is zoomed right in on the ship in a massive blob fest, not only is that the worst thing to do because when zoomed in like that even the lowest LOD setting with try and render all the things but he cannot even see whats going on in the fight.
You do know you can (and should) zoom out and use the tactical overlay? (zooming out beyond the LOD setting will render things in potato gfx mode so its not as laggy)

You do know how the new camera will work?
The new camera is the key and if you have no idea what it can do you should not really be posting tbh.

TBF, he is trying to get rid of blobbing, so brackets needing to be on are in line with his proposal of reducing blobs. I'm not agreeing with him, just saying that this does line up with what he's on about.

I think the bottom line to getting rid of blobbing would be to make bringing a blob unplayable. When you get past 15 v 15 focused fire just makes sense. You'd have to cripple its playability to take it off the FC tactics list.

Another note - stacking penalties for damage is just too wrong to be discussed. 'Less damage because more people are shooting at the same thing' magic is just slightly less repulsive than 'stuff saving ctadel destruction magic' This whole trend to ask for things that aren't close to logical in the name of playability is pretty sad. How can you destroy an entire space station (an extremely large one at that) and have nothing inside get destroyed or be left behind for salvage/recovery. Stacking penalties for damage is just - illogical.