Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So been watching a bunch of Sci-Fi films the last few weeks and they all have something in common, none of them have an overview that lists every ship in the fight by type or name or distance.
Nor most of the time do they have a magic button that broadcasts to the whole fleet instantly who to fire on (well there was this one time were capt john luc picard sends some coordinates to the fleet to fire at a section of a borg cube but nbd)
How often do you see in a Sci-Fi film The FC of the fleet broadcasts targets and every one fires at the same thing? Nope never realy happens you get these epic space battles were not everyone is in range of every target (mostly down to line of sight but whatever) no they all fire at sort of their own targets unless it’s the climax and everyone is trying to kill a single flagship type thing before it blows up a planet or something.

So the idea.

No more overview and no more fleet broadcasts for targets and reps.. (The other ones can stay I guess.)

No more 250 man fleets of drones alphaing ship after ship were all other members in the fleet (other than the FC) doing nothing but control click a broadcast and click F1 every 10-20secs or so. No more instant healing by a 10-40 man logi wing after someone broadcasts for reps.

No more insta seeing (on the overview) that fleet warp in behind you as you have the camera facing the wrong direction looking at something else, no more insta alphering as quick as 1400’s cycle as you need to now have a skilled FC communicating what the target is and where it is and pilot skill on been able to also have battlefield awareness and locate the targets manually.

Communication will be super important, working as a team and having the ability to really be able to pick off week people around the edges, pilot skill on been able to evade people long enough or hiding in a blob so it’s harder for another fleet to find them… small logi groups moving around and repping a few people here and there and not just insta healing with N+1 logi
+ it will look super mega cool with 2 big fleets fighting and see lasers firing all over the place…

It might even make local tanks a bit of a thing sometimes…. And the bigger your ship makes you a bigger target for everyone to find on grid and stuff…. It would just be incredible.

Did you read the bit about not been able to broadcast for reps anymore making massive logi wings in massive fleets less effective?

I think you mean in space not overview....
And i counter than with..... The camera controls let you move the cam anywhere on grid so getting it into a good place to find stuff should not be a problem. :)
Yer if you tried doing it with the current camera it would be shockingly bad but with the new one.. i think it would be a good use of been able to move the cam about i think.

Have you heard of a thing called 'Target painter'? Its not sci-fi, its in use already and have been for some time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser-guided_bomb

And your point is?

They have warp drives and transporters, but you figure concepts like "radar" and "targeting computers" just flummoxed the Star Fleet engineers, eh?

Yet another terrible idea to rank right up there alongside removing fleet warp. Making the game essentially unplayable is not a step in the right direction. Frankly, I do not really care what kind of interface or tactics they show in science fiction films. Eve is a game and a game requires a usable interface for the player to input directions. Eve just barely qualifies with the existing overview and you want to take even that away.

Or you could bring in a line of AoE weapons that do damage in a sphere around their target. Damage would need balancing so the number of ships needed to instapop a fleet would be unattainably high. Like the idea in my sig perhaps

I know it doesn't "solve" the blob but it's more aimed at being an incentive to pack fewer ships into a fleet. Any mechanic that outright limits damage on a target is going to struggle with feeling too arbitrary. The idea would be that by lessening the need for fleet sizes to keep getting bigger then there would be less big blob slugfests, and by having damage spread to nearby targets logi would struggle (for human player reasons) to keep everything repped up meaning more ship losses.

-1 to removing the overview, because the hassles that it would cause based on monitor size. Things that are easy to do on my 27" desktop monitor are not so easily done on the 14" laptop screen. So in the end this idea is bad for a very real reason that has nothing to do with how things work real world versus sci-fi movies versus EvE.

-1 sci-fi movies may not have overviews but they do have targeting computers that isolate and display information about each of the targets in the area and those controlling the ship / weapons can select from that list of targets. So in a very real way the overview in EvE is exactly the same as those targeting computers in you sci-fi movies.

-1 to removing any form of fleet broadcasts. Again in your sci-fi movies as well as in real life the sharing of information is critical to the successful outcome of a battle and that information is shared virtually instantly between all units in the battle. In EvE that near instant fleet communications is handled by the broadcast window.


As one who was trained for this when I was in the service I can tell you that you are essentially wrong, fire is always focused on the most critical target. The only time fire would not be focused on a single target would be when a single squadron of ships / aircraft or a single artillery battery would be enough to destroy the target in a single sortie(aircraft) or just a few volleys ships / artillery battery.

But then comparing the real world of today to EvE is useless. A single destroyer squadron (usually 3-4 ships) can easily field enough firepower to render a carrier worthless scrap metal in a single volley. And the aircraft from a single carrier could easily and quickly destroy an entire fleet numbering 30 - 40 ships and I do not think that is what we want in EvE.