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As a member of a corp who lives in a wh with a static null connection, I would like to share my opinion and observations on the matter.

We are no strangers to fighting outnumbered and the ships we use try to keep a flexibility for adapting to a quickly changing battlefield. Bonuses which we tend to favor include bubble immunity, nanos, neuts, mjds and sustained local tanks. Nevertheless, the risk assessement to decide if we let our heavier assets get tackled depend on an estimate wether we can kill off the hero tacklers before their friends get a chance to overwhelm us.

This tactic means our ships must also try to look as enticing as possible which means we are best to avoid bringing ecm or logi since they tend to force either of two extremes.. massive blob or deagression.

The best fights are when the enemy bring ships which, depending on their fits, can mean total loss but the risk is worth taking.

So with this in mind, there are obviously a couple tactics used by the enemy which severly reduce the likelihood we decide to engage, such as massive ecm, logi or a capital fleet hotdrop. 37.5 km scrams on battleship tanks are difficult to asses since for our way of fighting, they can sometimes be more of a deterrent than an enemy carrier hotdropping... they basically act almost as a lachesis and huggin combined but with more tank than both added up.

That being said, we can fight them off using the universal ecm, damps, extreme neut pressure or logi, but this may have the adverse effect of causing the enemy to run away.

On the flipside though, those long range scrams will helps us deal with the cancerous orthus meta so I guess there is a silver lining.

After playing with these in EFT all I can say is "Damn this gonna be fun!". The new HICs will make some of the best kite boats around lol.

It is good to see you have come around in the end Daemun. This is pretty much what I suggested needed to be implemented a couple of pages back.

I'd be happy with an 80% speed nerf also. The main thing to me is that the HIC doesn't turn into a solo kitey ship but at the same time maintaining its role as an excellent primary tackling ship.

I kinda disagree about speed nerf application, it looks too complicated to me.

I would outright disable any prop mod the very second the generator is activated, scripted or not. It is powerful distortion field, why source's ship should be unaffected. But it distorts warp and MJD effects, it desnt applies web. But atm the effect applied to the bubbling HIC is a plain 90% web, seems too complicated and illogical to me.

So just disable all prop mods (AB/MWD), as if HIC scramms himself too as soon as it scrams/bubble somebody else.
This will leave it with its base speed, +maybe some nano if you wish to sacrifice the tank. Should be enough to keep up with capitals, not enough for kitey stuff. Can also adjust HIC base speed too to keep it sane.

Also i would reduce base scram/tackle range to like 30km, and added 20% bonus for overheat. So still same 36km scram range when heated, but it burns your guns fast. This would allow wider gameplay choices i think, and toned ranged scram down a bit.

As a person who solo's quite frequently, I would implore you to please add a Scrambling script with dramatically less range.

This will just remove the gorilla style kiting warfare completely, and make Minmatar just useless. Their whole race predominately focuses on kiting ships, and you are going to negate an entire race's chance of surviving.

And if someone disagrees with me, please compare the Vagabond or the stabber to their equal class, and tell me that they have a chance if scrammed @ 36 KM with one of these in the enemy fleet.

We will always have to run. (If we can due to some sensor boosting HIC sitting on a gate.)

The first one to shout hooray at potentially fewer rather than more ways to play the game is, ladies and gentleman, a goon. Surprise.

can still warp through regular bubbles. you rarely see a HIC on a gate, most people use dictors or anchor-bubbles.

Point range is 24km, i fail to see how something under 37km is considered point blank (maybe in a fleet setting). 24km would still be considered kiting territory. Not to say im defending kiting, but its a bit of a stretch to say below 37km is point blank range.

You should say, "in medium scale fights, not every fleet will want to bring a HIC under current mechanics". The new HIC scrams have more range than a pimp fit, linked arazu/lach. Every gang (except microgangs) and gate camp is going to have one if the FC has a brain.

As for solo, yes, I just "wont" engage that resebo'd HIC on the gate camp. That will surely allow me to escape if i never engage him with his 30-42km scram that covers the whole gate. He will let me on by right? Along with the 10 other guys on gate.

Dont get me wrong, i think this change will help against some of the cancer kite meta. At the same time it can also reinforce the kite meta by allowing groups not having to commit scram tackle, at which point i would consider them kiting (ironic isnt it?). Im not a fan of these being on gate camps in LS. Cant MJD, cant mwd, so short of an oversized AB, its dunk city if you find yourself on the recieving end of these gate camps. Goodbye bigger ship meta, your 400-600m/s ab speed wont help.

Depending on how wide the proliferation of HICS will be, this will either suck or you will see many pvp-ers just plain leave the game (many ....).

Everything in this game centers on range from spawn and most of that spawning comes around a gate. 10k for webb, 9k for scram, 24k for disruptor, and guns/missiles designed around this. There are exceptions obviously.

Then you bring in a set of ships that double as interceptors at cruiser level, hit almost perfectly and do more EHP damage than others. And you cannot see that the OP part here is the range of point and agility (launchers too, but still).
To counter this and supers you make a ship that has loads of EHP, and cheap insane range point, enough to cover 95% of gates (the non regional ones will be covered with low SP easily).
... but it cannot receive RR and cap while doing this .... who cares ?

A gatecamper only needs to be reseeboed to hell and back, and receive cap at the end of the cycles, which once started, won't stop if neuted to nothing.
Once the initial tackle is done, that's it, his buddies will deal with the target.
You have replaced what in the past needed 2 ships, with high SP, and lots of isk investment with 1 ship that can do the job with a meta 0 mod.

But surely, this won't be abused !.

This is the jump fatigue for subcaps if widely used. Forget about roaming solo or in a small gang, unless you rely a lot on even more kiting stuff, which is what the Orthrus/Garmur are for .... you have just reinforced the Mordus ships even more.
And with less roams, the afk ratters (in Ishtars) of deep null will be even safer.
Not to mention that one will seriously need to consider using a cloak on a roaming cruiser. :(

At what point are you going to include in the AUR shop the option to pay 500 AUR to be temporarily invulnerable to the WDFG mod in a subcap ?

Likewise for the Concord one - and I want to see some realistic pricing in the LP store ....

Sisi tells 180 k LP + 100 m ISK ..