Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just something I think would be handy, especially when checking local for baddie's in crowded systems.

Currently player lists in local are only sorted alphabetically. How about an option in channel settings to sort by color tags? Would make it a lot easier in say amarr or jita to put potential threat targets at the top of the list. It is 20,000 years in the future after all. I'd think if we have the ability to monitor pilots presence in a local system that we'd also be able to sort them.

A simple check box for "sort based on over settings" so that it would base the priority on what ever priority you have set for overview precedence and an option for setting based on reversed priority.

EDIT: On second thought, that could get screwy when you have neutrals set to lower priority than threats. It would still group everyone nicely but wouldn't be as use full. I'm sure someone at CCP though could sit down and figure out a nice effective threat priority order to use as default. Something like,
war targets > terrible standings > bad standings > suspects > neutrals > good standings > excellent standings
...with a reversible setting.

And don't start w the EvE is hard comments. This isn't about carebear's it's about realistic functionality.

You should really use your braincells a touch more before throwing accusations. If you want to cry about ppl being able to set standings to you and see you and local than there's a wormhole right over there. ---->
Don't let it slam shut on you on your way out.

Btw, would you seriously prefer that you had to memorize the names of everyone that's a friendly and everyone that's a threat or click on every single name in local to see what corp they're in or if they are an enemy? Because it used to be that way and it sucked. Even WAY before trade hubs were so crowded. Now it would just be stupidity.

So you're crying because ppl can see you in local and know if you're a threat or not, check. Cry some more and complain that EvE should be hard. There's a reason why standings and color tags were implemented. Because not using them was just a waste of time and a turn off. It's sounds like your problem is just that you don't think it's fair that people can see you coming and that too many null sec'ers are afraid of a fight. If they can't see who you are then they're just gonna dock up the moment ANYONE enters system which just wastes their time AND yours.

For me personally it would be useful for knowing how safe undocks are and for gathering intel on how many war targets are in a system so that my fleet can engage accordingly. People aren't going to jump an offensive fleet into a system with no idea how many hostiles are there and by the time your scout can manually click every pilot in a system with 20-50 in local just to see who they are they've probably already moved on. Gathering rapid intel and having the ability to quickly make the decision to engage results in a better chance of getting a fight before it's too late and the situation changes. What you want is just a time consuming hassle that does nothing for the "good" of the game. It used to take hours to move system to system without warp to zero on gates and without color tags, THAT was "bad" for the game.

Btw, for a "Wh chick" you sure spend a lot of time in null sec.
You see I researched who you are, how old you are and where you operate before commenting. You apparently failed to do the same for me before accusing me of "Too many guys in your system for your bot to sort out?"
As far as I'm aware there's no way to get a bot to monitor, little on manipulate or present data in local pilot lists. Ofc I know little about such things since they are against EULA (?) and I've never used one. I thought those were mostly for market manipulators and miners. (Definitely against EULA) Regardless of what they can or can't do, game mechanics shouldn't be designed around whether or not an illegal bot can exploit them. Kill the bot(tters), not the feature.

Daemun Khanid says a bunch of stuff.......

1st - calm down - I'm fearful you're going to blow some kind of gasket. I used to be wound pretty tight myself - I turned to gardening and baking (not kidding) and life is just better on so many levels. You don't have to bake, but just pause and consider how many 'angry at the world' old men you actually know. There aren't many out there.

2nd - I'm not crying about anything. I do feel not changing the way local works because it will aid botters is totally legit. As you said, fight the botters. Making it easy for them is the opposite of fighting them.

3rd - the undocking thing. Let me help you out. You're safe in the docking ring and can redock before you get your little ship blown up in most stations. Some stations (primarily minmatar, but there are others) known as kick out stations don't allow redocking because of bumping mechanics and a reasonably skilled pilot can keep you heading away from the station. For these and really any station you can create an 'insta undock'. It's an easy google task to learn everything you need to know about how that works. (They also prevent your ship/cargo from being scanned) Insta undocks also get you out of docking range so that if some chooch wants to fight - he has to do it outside of the docking ring (hint: you can actually pop his ship).

4th - A lot of null kills on my record sheet? If you really looked you would see I started out as a HS merc corp (vastly different from todays war dec corps). I did empire pvp for 2 going on 3 years. We dissolved the corp/alliance when the industry started to change from contract based gameplay to the current 100 decs and sit on a pipe garbage. They changed the war dec mechanics to mollify large null groups and now empire pvp is pretty much meaningless farming of folks not interested in combat. Anyway, once that broke down to crap play we disbanded and kind of reformed in WH space. It's been a great ride. Most kills are in null due to the connections we get. That's just how it works out. Large null whinerbears recently got the number of WH <--> null connections reduced, so eve that is more difficult. That being said, Iive in a wh and take what comes my way.

5th - as Xe stated - local and standings are primarily used to avoid combat. You kind of said it yourself - you want to easily see if you can undock and win. If you can't win - you don't undock. Mostly you use it to avoid conflict. Making that easier is a non starter for me.

Finally - putting 'easier for you to undock' up against 'easier for botters' - I'm saying no. No based on station undocking isn't particularly dangerous if you take some basic precautions. You being able to do something that is already relatively easy in an easier way isn't worth giving botters yet another leg up on their game. Your 'just go blow them up' sollution isn't that easy. They already have a lot in their favor. Allowing them to sort local by 'reds on top' or even just 'blues on the bottom' makes their survivability much greater in crowded systems.

Pointing out how your idea is bad is not crying.

Complaining about how it's too much effort to scroll through a list, that is crying.

Bots is a valid argument on this topic, and the free intel of local has long been a contention.

Nah, once you've been around the forums a while, you get used to Serendipity's snarkiness. He's considerably less snarky about topics that haven't been discussed already to the point where the red smear that used to be the dead horse has, itself, been beaten into the ground.

Of course coming back with a hostile response only escalates the hostility.