Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Local does nothing to guarantee any form of safety. It only allows an active pilot to protect himself.

I am sure someone who only flies ships for hunting cannot understand how you don't leave vulnerable assets out in the active presence of hostiles. You are absolutely forced to take defensive measures if a hostile is in system, and more severe ones when that single hostile can become an enemy fleet at any time. Lacking any way to counter that threat the defensive options render high sec both safer and more profitable.

Wormholes are a different ruleset. As much as hunters whine about local, it finds their targets for them too. You also don't have the danger of Cynos to worry about, and in general it's much easier to keep a watch on what comes in and leaves. Apple's and oranges.

It's not local. It's not risk aversion. The game is designed so that those playstyles depend on ships either incapable of combat, or in circumstances rendering them very ineffective in a PvP fight. Going in you will know their tank, their likely weapons, and that they rely on cap stability and active tanks rather than cap-free or burst performance and buffer tanks. It's not risk aversion to get that off the field, it's just loss mitigation....that ship was not winning that fight without his aggressor making several grevious errors.

It's the nature of people who want easy kills vs. People flying soft targets.

If it were more common for these masters of PvP to engage a PvE guy who reships, that might happen more. It does not because gankbears are just as averse to risk as everyone else.

There is much that can be done to mitigate the threat of a camper, but the only response an afk pilot threatening space should provoke is a chuckle as their ship explodes.

It boils down to this: PVE goes afk, Hunter shows up, gfs ship explodes. Balanced. PvP guy goes afk under cloak. Hunter shows up, PvP guy is immortal until he decides otherwise or the server goes down. Not balanced.

So you are saying you have options, but you don't like those options, you want a better option. One that would be unbalanced.

AFK cloaking is a counter to infinitely spawning anomalies. Are you willing to trade that game mechanic (re-spawning anoms) for an active way to kill afk cloakers? Personally I would not.

I fail to see what bubbles have to do with afk cloaking.

Especially since his tactic earlier was "Waah, stop talking about local because that has nothing to do with cloaks!" (while hypocritically crying about cynos the whole time)

He's spinning around in circles like a puppy. Switching from argument to argument, no matter how often he contradicts himself.

That's him trying to reconcile reality and his worldview (while maintaining the illusion to himself that he isn't advocating a totally selfish position). Notice he glossed over the idea of trading something for the advantage he wants (which againr eveals the selfish nature of the belief).

People who think they are wronged by something always dig in like that, and there will be no convincing someone like that that they are wrong. The rest of us know it though. The game gives us more than enough tools to deal with AFK cloakers, so much so that I'm still ratting with my Machariel while Voidstar is on here complaining about people he can't see lol.

And you should speak for yourself. He isn't building frustration in others, he's building frustration in YOU.
Me on the other hand, I'm hoping he decloaks and tries to drop me so I can add more BLOPS, Stratioses and bombers to my (rather my Mach alt's) killboard. Because I'm prepared for him and NOTHING says "I'm better than you" than killing specialized PVP fit ships with PVE ships (with a little help from the cloaked logi ship we tend to have with us on grid...).

If you go to zkill and look up the constellation I live in, you will see a number of mining ships on kill mails the last few months. This is how we dealth with Gorgon and other Russians camping us. If they drop we kill them, if they don't drop they don't matter.

You basically want CCP to play the game for you. Sorry, you will need to think for yourself on this one.

So the consensus then is to ask devs to review if null-sec AFK camping impacts on Eve player attrition?

Kaarous, Hush. Adults are trying to talk here.

Bubbles are a key tool in controlling space. One of the reasons you want to get a hostile camper out is because they can allow whole fleets to bypass the gates.

You hear over and over again that campers are no problem if you defend your space... but getting the campers out is a necessary function of defending your space.

That's less of an issue in low sec and not mentioned as much because fewer people even try to control that space at all, since they are lacking one of the more important tools to do so.