Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, now that it does not affect the things *you* do, it's no longer an issue for anyone.

Thing is... I would agree with you if there was something to do about it except just let them stay there As long as they like. There isn't. As I said, it really does not matter why I want to hunt them. They are in space, and getting hunted is always supposed to be a consideration if you are in space.

They can gather Intel, use probes, set up ambushes, and of course their presence requires that defensive posture that impairs PVE activity.

If they were having to dodge a defensive hunter, in just the same manner that the PvE boats dodge hunters, that would be appropriate. To be able to do any of that so securely they can just park and go afk All Day... Nope. That's balanced only because Fozzie said so.

I looked but my phone isn't showing what killed him, nor anything I can see about him having the cloak up.

I am guessing he died to smartbombs or something, which would not put him in the position described. They obviously knew where he was, which meant he was either humping something, or had just cloaked and was uncloaked when the attack began.

Killing a ship with a cloak isn't hard if it is being stupid by allowing its position to be known. Everybody already knew that, but thanks.

Edit: found the weapon, a smartbomb. So it was incompetence for getting that close, a choice the cloaked pilot made. Perhaps going for a gate or something. Still don't know if he was cloaked. Have to take your word on it.

Right... Because working toward the goal of owning space is surely not at all something they want to have happen...

The moment you try and obfuscate like that, to try and drag more and bigger stuff into your argument, is when I know you're desperate.

As though owning space at all is somehow rendered worthless if you can't afk rat in total safety?

Either the computer based version of that site shows a lot more, or I am missing something. But, fair enough... In this case I am clueless. I have no idea how to kill someone in warp. I can see them coming out of warp into the smartbombs, which means that he didn't come in at range to check things out. I can see hitting him as he warps, and the server not realizing he is dead until the next tick.... But they got his pod too. Either case it was a circumstance where his location was known, or he flew into AOE damage and died.

It's still not cloaked and sitting out of the way of traffic.

Have you not run out of troll **** yet?

Please show me where I said anything at all about either afk, or totally safe, ratting. The only afk totally safe thing in space is a cloaked ship.

Since you seem to be slow as well as obnoxious I will help you.

If you cannot enforce or control anything in an area, you don't own it. You might be able to stick your name on it, but that don't make it yours.

Projection again, from the man who has spent weeks trying to argue for freighters to be invincible and for the "right" to afk rat in nullsec with no consequences of any kind.

Don't you get tired of it? All you have to do is finally admit that you are playing the wrong game, and it all goes away.




And yet again, you lie.




The game rules work rather differently. Thanks for rolling back your previously absurd claim though, this might be the first time I've ever gotten you to admit to a lie.

Local does nothing to guarantee any form of safety. It only allows an active pilot to protect himself.

I am sure someone who only flies ships for hunting cannot understand how you don't leave vulnerable assets out in the active presence of hostiles. You are absolutely forced to take defensive measures if a hostile is in system, and more severe ones when that single hostile can become an enemy fleet at any time. Lacking any way to counter that threat the defensive options render high sec both safer and more profitable.

Wormholes are a different ruleset. As much as hunters whine about local, it finds their targets for them too. You also don't have the danger of Cynos to worry about, and in general it's much easier to keep a watch on what comes in and leaves. Apple's and oranges.

It's not local. It's not risk aversion. The game is designed so that those playstyles depend on ships either incapable of combat, or in circumstances rendering them very ineffective in a PvP fight. Going in you will know their tank, their likely weapons, and that they rely on cap stability and active tanks rather than cap-free or burst performance and buffer tanks. It's not risk aversion to get that off the field, it's just loss mitigation....that ship was not winning that fight without his aggressor making several grevious errors.

It's the nature of people who want easy kills vs. People flying soft targets.

If it were more common for these masters of PvP to engage a PvE guy who reships, that might happen more. It does not because gankbears are just as averse to risk as everyone else.

There is much that can be done to mitigate the threat of a camper, but the only response an afk pilot threatening space should provoke is a chuckle as their ship explodes.

It boils down to this: PVE goes afk, Hunter shows up, gfs ship explodes. Balanced. PvP guy goes afk under cloak. Hunter shows up, PvP guy is immortal until he decides otherwise or the server goes down. Not balanced.

LOL. You aren't even trying to make sense anymore, are you?

Local is one of the best tools for safety that exists in this game.




That's all it is. Whatever lies, excuses, or flimsy justifications you try and conjure up, it all stems from those two.

So you are saying you have options, but you don't like those options, you want a better option. One that would be unbalanced.

AFK cloaking is a counter to infinitely spawning anomalies. Are you willing to trade that game mechanic (re-spawning anoms) for an active way to kill afk cloakers? Personally I would not.