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Null-Sec Ratting... In a Cane? (Warning - Nub within)
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Andy McMellon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-12-02 20:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy McMellon
I've bought myself a Hurricane (because it looks spiffy) to allow me to take a break from mining in the null-sec systems which I inhabit on a daily basis...but it hasn't been working too well so far.

I am barely able to keep myself alive against most belt rat groups, much less if I'm helping (if you can call it that) a friend with an anom or other null-sec fights. (No PvP)

Now I am honestly not sure if it's me (my lack of skills), the ship fittings...or the ship itself that is the reason why I just can't hold a candle to that of my friends - Flying ships like Drone Gilas and such.

[Warning - The following fit is one I found on the web and tweaked to suit fighting the Sansha that spawn around here. I make no assumptions about being good at it at all so fire away with critique and suggestions if you care to]

x6 650mm Medium Scout Arty 1
x1 Prototype Arbalest Rapid Light launcher
x1 Large Shield Extender II
x1 EM Ward Field II
x1 Thermal Dissap Field II
x1 10MN Afterburner II
x3 Gyrostab II
x3 Tracking Enhancer II
Medium Cap Control Circ I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinc II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

EMP M, Mjolnir Light Missile.

I warp in, turn everything active and orbit at ~16KM for optimal artillery accuracy, picking off the smaller targets first.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-12-02 21:09:16 UTC
What is in your 4th mid slot?

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Andy McMellon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-12-02 21:11:18 UTC
Derp - Missed one.

It's a 10MN Afterburner II
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2015-12-02 21:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
There should be no need for that cap rig, switching to a projectile damage rig will get you a few more DPS.
Until you get your projectile skills up (Minmatar BC skill is also very important), if you have drone skills, using a gnosis with a similar setup will get you better DPS as well as a slightly stronger tank.

But yeah, you can't hold a candle to a gila as it essentially has two assault frigates escorting it with those drone bonuses.

If tank is more of an issue, doing this will get you about twice as much recharge with just a little loss in range:

[Hurricane, passive recharge]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
10MN Afterburner II

650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP M
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Also, it may not seem worth it due to the cost but using the faction variant of the EMP M will also give you a fairly significant boost in DPS.

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Fix the Prospect!
Andy McMellon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-12-02 21:30:36 UTC
My issue isn't as much DPS as it is staying alive for even a short while - Some of my worst encounters with asteroid sansha has left me with 20-30% shields within a minute, forcing me to warp out just for safety's sake.

I might be able to take out the Cap rig - I had three initially (don't ask) and took them out one by one until I was very close to losing stable caps. I'll defnitely have to train up my projectile skills though... Or just give up and go Gila.

I'm just so conflicted - I really like how the Cane looks, and potentially the Maelstrom (thought I doubt bigger is better around here as far as rats go)
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-12-02 21:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Yeah, I would try out the fit I posted then it will definitely help with survivability . If it's still not tanky enough, you can switch out another TE for an additional shield power relay as well as upgrading to T2 purgers but those are not really worth the cost last I checked.

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Fix the Prospect!
Andy McMellon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-12-02 21:40:13 UTC
I'll try that - Thanks. :)
Daku Otsito
Otsito Response Team
#8 - 2015-12-03 08:32:18 UTC
Hi,

im gonna be blunt, a cane is not very good for ratting, its a great ship don't get me wrong but not for your purpose, the dps a cane has is anemic and it's worse with arties( actually this goes for any projectile boat barr the mach or vargur), i don't know your drone skills but you would be served much better by a VNI or any other drone boat (gila being best since the damage is a role bonus) Also take a look at some laser boats since in general they project much better and have higher DPS. The purpose of ratting is to make you isk as fast as you can so that you can do other stuff. Until you get a better ship you will just be frustrated.

just my 0.2 isk Smile
Zerinia
Lom Corporation
#9 - 2015-12-04 05:22:35 UTC
I use a cane to farm rally points in sansha space. These escalate to 6/10s which are very lucrative. Fit:
[Hurricane, New Setup 3]
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive

425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Acolyte II x5
Acolyte II x1

- the t2 stuff you probably cant use. Cap stable with MWD off, tanks belt rats and Rally points easily. 575 DPS perfect skills, 600+ with t2s and all Vs