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So, how does it feel...?

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Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#41 - 2012-01-08 02:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Kaylyis wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
Kaylyis wrote:
Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!

Oh ****!

Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!

Clearly we can't have that.

On a more serious note:

GO AWAY.


You misunderstood.

Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx



You made a buncha hush-hush allegations of financial misconduct implying a lot and proving nothing with evidence. hence I consider taking these allegations seriously a waste of my time, hence mockery. Third, I would point out that CCP's Headquarters is based in Iceland. So i'd doublecheck my facts and legalese there before allegations of misconduct are bandied about, as the primary financial transactions for EVE online are brokered there.

Finally, PLEX and problems with botters as a means of laundering money, quite serious, and in most places felonious, allegations brought to bear. Without evidence to support your claim, you are enacting what civil courts define as slander and libel. Both are considered actionable in court should damage be done to the corporation's image, customer base or finances.

So, in conclusion, you are either clueless or you're stirring up ****. I'm betting the latter. The burden of proof does pretty much lie with the accuser among the trolls and crackheads (myself included) on the EVE forums. You provide no proof. If you truly believe there is such misconduct you are free to disassociate yourself from the game by unsubbing and taking this crap elsewhere.

We have enough problems with **** that needs to be fixed to make the game more smooth and functional without this threadcrap being smeared on the walls.


If you have the faintest idea on how to look for such evidence, risen from a general and legitimate suspicion of the community at the inapparent actiontaking from the company, feel free to PM me about it.

Otherwise you're right, I've already stated above that I wouldn't continue this train of unsupported thought publically.
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#42 - 2012-01-08 02:11:52 UTC
Vyl Vit
#43 - 2012-01-08 02:15:50 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
In playing your part as human merchandise under CCP's carefully planned out RL profit-making scheme, ie:

-PLEX.
-Bots.
-Limitless alt system.

Im curious, does CCP maintain a scpecific horde of players ingame farming Plex for them which they sell back to their playerbase?

Isn't this entire circle, at the same time detrimental to the game and its playerbase as ingame prices rise and 0.0 alt corps take over entire regions, blobing with 30+ capfleets and Titan bridges every single time...

Hmm?
Where is this all really going CCP?
To make as much pride in money before planet earth burns to a crisp from our mutual contempt, greed and stupidity?

So, let us make this thread the official congratulate CCP on their ruthless and cynical attitudes to life, like the good ponzies they are.

*claps slowly*

Though I appreciate the idealism which inspires your post, and I understand the philosophy behind it, I feel compelled to mention "the laborer is worthy of his hire." If CCP runs a business with a satisfied clientele, it's hardly anyone else's concern unless they're in violation of law, ethics or morality - the last two being vulnerable to arbitrary judgement call. Your vitriol and ad hominem assault doesn't situate you well when trying to make that judgement call. What puts CCP on the moral high ground here is, they apparently are providing what satisfies their CUSTOMERS ("playerbase" seeming to connote a holier-than-thou constabulatory above the ways and methods of us common folk). Were they not, guess what? They'd have gone out of business.

My suggestion to you is: Shop somewhere else.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#44 - 2012-01-08 02:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Bah, you just taking away what I said A LONG TIME AGO in the eve forums! ... in post number 18.

The fact you bring it up is not new.

IT MIGHT exist here or all MMO's for that matter, that doesnt stop making eve more or less of anything.

If you pretend it to be a Ponzi scheme, there must be a beneficiary expecting increased returns off a proposal that implies it will give future dividends, and anyone knows it's not gonna happen, despite all the value we give to our virtual assets.

If any half decent MMO player believed this no one would play after they quit their first game for that matter.

Your post lacks originality but 2 points for saying it's a ponzi scheme despite any real basis.

2/10

Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap, like the solo friendly game it is now.


Edit: Following my logic of about a year and a half ago, perhaps Incarna was a ploy to launder/dissapear certain unexplainable assets off CCP's coffers? Marking them as gone with the crash? (ohhhhhh, the plot thickens) ... see, I already made your thread better, feel free to continue off it. Also, apple pie.

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Vyl Vit
#45 - 2012-01-08 02:27:44 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap*, like the solo friendly game it is now.

Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.

I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.

-10 for anal/cranial inversion.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-01-08 02:29:31 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.

I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.

-10 for anal/cranial inversion.

How's /getdown going for you? Lol
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#47 - 2012-01-08 02:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Brujo Loco wrote:

If you pretend it to be a Ponzi scheme, there must be a beneficiary expecting increased returns off a proposal that implies it will give future dividends, and anyone knows it's not gonna happen, despite all the value we give to our virtual assets.

If any half decent MMO player believed this no one would play after they quit their first game for that matter.

Nice spin on that assumption bro.
Last time I checked, Eve's grown steady into that secured future, with an innovative hybrid to be launched on console soon...

Quote:
Your post lacks originality but 2 points for saying it's a ponzi scheme despite any real basis.


Forming a real basis fur such allegations would require a certain market survey to be made ingame, and for that would require connections spanning accross the whole underground RMT ring. You seriously expected me, some random schmuck, to have that kind of information on hand?

Of course not, and neither would CCP consider that much.
Vyl Vit
#48 - 2012-01-08 02:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.

I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.

-10 for anal/cranial inversion.

How's /getdown going for you? Lol

You bother with emotes? I thought that was to entertain the 12-year olds.

Goe Rilla...you have no point. Get a clue. That may lead you to a POINT.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Liam Mirren
#49 - 2012-01-08 02:50:57 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:

Multiply that ammount by active subscribers per year.
Add it to legal realmoney Plex buyers per year.
Add it to unofficial realmoney Plex buyers per year.

Compare total ammount with CCP's annual expenses.

Just enough to keep Eve running and ingame prices rising?

Or just enough for obscene company profits.

You see and decide. Good luck.

You think this is a bad thing.

I play because I enjoy EVE. Do you not enjoy EVE?

If they want to profit off this game that is fine with me.

As long as they continue their new trend to fix broken mechanics which they are doin, I am perfectly happy to enjoy EVE.

If they fail to do so I will quit.

If you see deeper meaning in this then feel free to leave as I did after Incarna.



+1

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#50 - 2012-01-08 02:53:07 UTC
You seem to be forgetting that multiple accounts in EVE do not pay with money, but with PLEX; so you actually don't have 300K accounts paying ~$15 a month. You have some ~100K Accounts paying with PLEX bought for ISK in game, while some percentage the ~200K other accounts paying ~$15 a month pay for those PLEX.

Net result: Excessive market supply of PLEX, PLEX losses due to in-game ganks on ships carrying PLEX in cargo, and Player usage of PLEX for game time or Aurum conversion results in ~ 300K accounts paying ~15 a month, with a little extra income from Aurum conversion.

Once a PLEX is purchased, it's only return is use for game time or aurum conversion. There are still only ~300K subscribers in this scenario; so how do you get extra income for all this.

People won't buy PLEX if they don't need it, or plan on holding it for future use based on market speculation and current finances.

TL;DR: Aside from Aurum, and a slightly higher cost per 30 days game time; PLEX doesn't generate any additional revenue.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#51 - 2012-01-08 02:54:17 UTC
You got more than a single page of responses, congratulations! You had to keep responding, though. so -1 for that.

9/10

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-01-08 02:56:12 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
You bother with emotes? I thought that was to entertain the 12-year olds.

I bother with emotes that are game breaking.
Games On Net wrote:
If you're unfamiliar with the exploit, using the /getdown command mid-battle interrupts the enemy's attack leaving them a sitting duck. Not even boss characters are safe from the power of the shuffle.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#53 - 2012-01-08 02:58:19 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Brujo Loco wrote:
Also I give myself +1 point for realizing SWTOR was going to be a piece of steaming crap*, like the solo friendly game it is now.

Dawg. I was gonna give you a ten outta ten for your response to the OP. (Maybe knock off two for the syntax.) But, then you had to add this. I'm posting while I play SWTOR, waiting for a Flashpoint group to get together. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it a *. It's just this sort of arrogance that shoots credibilty to hell, from whence it never returns.

I guess the only way people have to make themselves feel important is to evicerate something BIG. That makes THEM big. Or, so the theory (or delusion) runs.

-10 for anal/cranial inversion.



Naaa its ok, I stand by my statement, I was throwing mud at it before it went live, or was big or had 100000 millions gigs of voiceovers, still doing it as it is live, and will continue to do so after it has catered more MMO market share, evaporates, evolves, go sentient or implodes.

It's a matter of principle. also of TASTES, if you consider it the pinnacle of MMO development and the most fun game ever to exist, I can happily show you the gross market share in the asian market of Westward Journey or perhaps Farmville, and you will see the same effect.

It's a good topic of discussion though, as for some strange quirks of nature, Society is ingrained with the need to either oppose or embrace certain ways of behaving dated by cultural norm and time and space in relation to the current era of Societal development. This very act of negating/embracing certain ways is wonderful development and evolutionary tool.

I knew right from the beggining, as posted earlier, SWTOR was going to be what it was going to be, and it made it possible for me to trigger said psychological quirks in myself. I still hope it tanks, that's my irrational impulse, my rational one though loathes it for it representing what I hate the most about the current MMO market.

I only write this to make it clear in case someone else decides to bash against any argument I propose by simply stating I hate this or that mmo or decide to visit tranny bars, I'm a midget that uses wigs in rl or like to eat guava dipped in mustard or enjoy cyberstalking Alara or Surfin' (just kidding, I think) and take notes of writing patterns in people posting here to see if they are consistent to find out for my own perverted amusement if they are alts of X or Y or Im a compulsive liar and need to make stuff up for an strange urge to create chaos out of order (which I created happily as shown in your response, perfect inexorability!) or ANYTHING you can come up that might be, might not be or is both regarding this online persona known as BrujoLoco.

If I have to make myself clear in a personal taste to clear the way for further elucubration of possible multiple outcomes regarding random threads in the forum, then I better start now in this small patch of text to further reference myself ( as I love to do ) when I need to base a new theory and have to keep a solid and consistent persona/stance and someone else (as it inevitably will happen again) throws the SWTOR card at me ... again. Big smile

it is against any logical declaration of continuity to even pretend I do not stand or abide by what I said earlier unless I specifically declare said idea has evolved into a more refined one, mostly for scholarly purposes, and to embrace my inner solipsistic self when I timeline my whole forum poster career since 2005 and nitpick my own wording, my greatest accomplishment so far having been the rock throwing analogy regarding Incarna pre CCP crash era, (easily searchable in eve-search.com) that i have used to great extent to teach children in RL and have managed to expand to not so good attempt at depicting EVE Online as a sandlot filled with midgets and transvestites wearing wigs and pimps at the borders (easily searchable too btw for the interested if any at all).

With all that behind I hope to continue to please/displease people at the same time, generating a perfect balance of absolute intangibility, since that act itself leads to me understanding, as odd as it might be, the fascinating cultural phenomenon EVE is, an almost unlimited source of amazing personality profiles database, open to anyone and vastly underused.

Thanks for your honest answer, as it gives me fuel to continue in this extremely rewarding act of forum posting in eve online.

I really appeciate it.

***
2012-TRBrujoLoco brujoloco inexorability

TLDR Future Reference Tag implied, brief explanation of behavioral pattern, thanks

Have fun in SWTOR btw, I heard it's a lot of fun just not my cup of tea Big smile

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

met worst
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-01-08 03:41:34 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread?

Ok but maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet.

PS: Don't even get me started on the russian vodka thing as well, we know where that went last time...

Ultimately any IRL stuff that doesn't affect me is none of my business. I play Eve for my enjoyment and well, trying to put it succinctly, I don't actually care.

If it's legal then it's up to CCP to make the call insofar as game morality (or lack thereof). If it's illegal well, it's not going to be sorted on some game forum now is it?

However, "Money Laundering" is - using your "legal term" - a method of taking funds gained through illegal methods and converting (laundering) to "legally sourced funds".

If RM is gained through the game it's NOT illegal anyway. It might be against CCP policy etc. etc. but unless the money gained via RMT were illegal then where's the "washing" being done?

Only way I can possibly think is "IRL illegal funds" are used to pay for Plex/gametime and converted to isk and then converted to RL through isk sellers.

Seems a particularly complex way of doing it at $15 a time and given how subs are paid, very traceable.

This "conspiracy theory" is not even a good one. What?



Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-01-08 03:46:26 UTC
oh man this kush is balla ass ****
Othar en'gilliath
Hosse en'gilliath
#56 - 2012-01-19 17:46:58 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:


Or just enough for obscene company profits.


Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory?

Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around.


A natural thing to happen when you grow and invest too large in effect...on expensive things the majority of your playerbase doesn't give a **** about...



You will get no argument from me on that specific concept, I all but predicted as much a few years ago in the old forums, and railed at CCP for buying Whitewolf, and trying to build 3 games making us the paying beta testers for one of them using the revenue of just EVE subscribers.

But, they finally learned maybe, the hard way. We'll see what they do vs what they say they will do.



I heard they're on a tight budget, but from subs revenue only.

One REALLY wonders where all that money to fund so many other projects simultaneously could've come from...

Knowing player to player Plex mechanics in Eve, sub revenues can only be the tip of the iceberg.



one word

INVESTORS

Not-Apsalar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-01-19 17:54:19 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
In playing your part as human merchandise under CCP's carefully planned out RL profit-making scheme, ie:


How does it feel to be an idiot and not understand that every company is created to make money? CCP isn't a non-profit. No one, but you apparently, is under any impression that EVE is not about making profit.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#58 - 2012-01-19 18:08:50 UTC
Othars Threadromancy Roll

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]

Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-01-19 18:50:21 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Othars Threadromancy Roll



JESUS CHRIST THIS THREAD DIED FOR A REASON!

Quit molesting it's corpse.
ChakanForever
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-01-19 18:56:41 UTC
That's the problem I have with PLEX. Because of it Eve has become a pay-to-win game in my eyes. No, you don't get +5 undead mega chest death plate; you get a nice chunk of cash to buy whatever the hell you want.

Eve is on a pay-to-win model. Simple.