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[Proposal] T2 Orca and other mining thing
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Velicitia
XS Tech
#21 - 2012-01-06 21:35:59 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Nope..that got burned in a fire when someone got a lucky space bomb shot on my cov ops frigate....had to get a change of shorts too..barely survived. LolLolLolLol


Pants? Where we're going, we don't need pants.

Back on topic... at this juncture, there's no need for a ~6 billion ISK ship that performs just ever so slightly better than a 500m ISK ship (Yeah, I know I'm high for the orca. I just pulled the 6b from what I remember of the JFs), and about 33% WORSE than a T1 capital that can do other fun stuff (i.e. compression, jumpclones, etc).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-01-06 21:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Velicitia wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Nope..that got burned in a fire when someone got a lucky space bomb shot on my cov ops frigate....had to get a change of shorts too..barely survived. LolLolLolLol


Pants? Where we're going, we don't need pants.

Back on topic... at this juncture, there's no need for a ~6 billion ISK ship that performs just ever so slightly better than a 500m ISK ship (Yeah, I know I'm high for the orca. I just pulled the 6b from what I remember of the JFs), and about 33% WORSE than a T1 capital that can do other fun stuff (i.e. compression, jumpclones, etc).




Shocked @ Pants comment


So yeah...Rorqual is worth what... ~2Bil? (Owns a JF AND a Rorqual)

yeah....just not that reasonable or rational concerning comparisons.

The Orca is great becasued its priced fantastically cheap (aprox half a bil) and does good for what its designed.

The only argument that is even close to being a "snow balls chance in hell" is the mid-freighter argument that crops up from time to time....this is like shovnig a rorqual into an orca.....a orca that can pass through stargates and freely fly to and fro.

A awesome ship for any industiralist....but spells doom for the markets and overall balance.

Its very easy to net a tidy profit for what we got...and that is why this idea is totally bad news.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-01-06 21:50:20 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
We do not need a rorqual for high sec.

If your so hard pressed to make a profit....move to WHS or 0.0.


Not supporting.


THIS ^

If we actually need another industrial ship of any kind it should be a dedicated gas harvester.


Hate to give him +1 but he's absoltuely right...this is the only industrial ship I'd support adding. If not a Gas Strip Miner.


He just hates my Bouncing Boobies thread...

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-01-06 21:55:41 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:


He just hates my Bouncing Boobies thread...



Some of us are more interested in more crucial things concerning the game and less space-playboy.

Sorry....but its just my honest opinion.

That and your ideas are sometimes off key...but I do keep an open mind. What?

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#25 - 2012-01-07 09:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Drake Draconis wrote:
Naj Panora wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
We do not need a rorqual for high sec.

If your so hard pressed to make a profit....move to WHS or 0.0.


Not supporting.


Some of us don't have the time to dedicate to null sec or W-space.


If you got time to write this tripe of a proposal and not bother to do your homework on mechancis and balance of those mechancis....and infer use of equipment on the scale your indicateing...you got time to go to WHS/0.0 and mine.

I think you have alot to learn before you make such a statement.

I suggest you MAKE the time to go to WHS and 0.0 and then come back here and evalaute your proposal as such.

You quite obviuosly have no concept of living in 0.0/WHS when it comes to industry.

And buffing High Sec with a rorqual like ship is a threatening dare to crash the economy as it is.

You have orca's...you have hulks...and you have PI....and yet you want bigger better orca's...maybe you should take a step back and think about the ramifications of your statement.

I'm quite sure we would love a non-capitial rorqual out here....we'd literally make a killing.

WHS Would be out of control when it comes to profitiblity with industrial core presense...specially if the ship is as big (or should I say "Small") as an orca in mass and size.

But you didn't think about that did you?


Having lived in WHs myself I'd have to disagree with you there Drake. Your argument is fundamentally flawed, in that it took a mere 5 minutes to write that post I'm sure; where just scanning down a wormhole can take 45 minutes. In fact, the simplest activity in a wormhole is PI, and even that takes potentially hours at times.

Scanning down Sigs and exits, running surveillance, and managing operations is no small task for veterans.

I've heard that in 0.0, Nullbears can just run anomalies or whatever, whenever; so you might be right about that.

edit: Not that I particularly agree with the OPs idea. I think the Orca as is, is good enough for Highsec; though perhaps it and the Caps could use some fleet/corp hangar/ship bay tweaks. Couldn't really specify as I've never flown one, but even just accessing one seems a bit wierd from what I recall. I've also heard similar things regarding Caps and Orcas from others.

What's the purpose of the Industrial Core in this case I wonder?
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Velicitia
XS Tech
#26 - 2012-01-07 13:30:51 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Nope..that got burned in a fire when someone got a lucky space bomb shot on my cov ops frigate....had to get a change of shorts too..barely survived. LolLolLolLol


Pants? Where we're going, we don't need pants.

Back on topic... at this juncture, there's no need for a ~6 billion ISK ship that performs just ever so slightly better than a 500m ISK ship (Yeah, I know I'm high for the orca. I just pulled the 6b from what I remember of the JFs), and about 33% WORSE than a T1 capital that can do other fun stuff (i.e. compression, jumpclones, etc).




Shocked @ Pants comment


So yeah...Rorqual is worth what... ~2Bil? (Owns a JF AND a Rorqual)

yeah....just not that reasonable or rational concerning comparisons.

The Orca is great becasued its priced fantastically cheap (aprox half a bil) and does good for what its designed.

The only argument that is even close to being a "snow balls chance in hell" is the mid-freighter argument that crops up from time to time....this is like shovnig a rorqual into an orca.....a orca that can pass through stargates and freely fly to and fro.

A awesome ship for any industiralist....but spells doom for the markets and overall balance.

Its very easy to net a tidy profit for what we got...and that is why this idea is totally bad news.


Yeah, a fitted rorq is ~2 ... maybe 2.5 bil. I need to get myself a JF, just haven't had the time to throw the JF skill in yet =/

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-01-07 19:49:33 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Nope..that got burned in a fire when someone got a lucky space bomb shot on my cov ops frigate....had to get a change of shorts too..barely survived. LolLolLolLol


Pants? Where we're going, we don't need pants.

Back on topic... at this juncture, there's no need for a ~6 billion ISK ship that performs just ever so slightly better than a 500m ISK ship (Yeah, I know I'm high for the orca. I just pulled the 6b from what I remember of the JFs), and about 33% WORSE than a T1 capital that can do other fun stuff (i.e. compression, jumpclones, etc).




Shocked @ Pants comment


So yeah...Rorqual is worth what... ~2Bil? (Owns a JF AND a Rorqual)

yeah....just not that reasonable or rational concerning comparisons.

The Orca is great becasued its priced fantastically cheap (aprox half a bil) and does good for what its designed.

The only argument that is even close to being a "snow balls chance in hell" is the mid-freighter argument that crops up from time to time....this is like shovnig a rorqual into an orca.....a orca that can pass through stargates and freely fly to and fro.

A awesome ship for any industiralist....but spells doom for the markets and overall balance.

Its very easy to net a tidy profit for what we got...and that is why this idea is totally bad news.


Yeah, a fitted rorq is ~2 ... maybe 2.5 bil. I need to get myself a JF, just haven't had the time to throw the JF skill in yet =/


Plan for 3 to 5 Months of wrist cutting. Shocked (5,5,5 skills)

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#28 - 2012-01-07 23:33:15 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Nope..that got burned in a fire when someone got a lucky space bomb shot on my cov ops frigate....had to get a change of shorts too..barely survived. LolLolLolLol


Pants? Where we're going, we don't need pants.

Back on topic... at this juncture, there's no need for a ~6 billion ISK ship that performs just ever so slightly better than a 500m ISK ship (Yeah, I know I'm high for the orca. I just pulled the 6b from what I remember of the JFs), and about 33% WORSE than a T1 capital that can do other fun stuff (i.e. compression, jumpclones, etc).




Shocked @ Pants comment


So yeah...Rorqual is worth what... ~2Bil? (Owns a JF AND a Rorqual)

yeah....just not that reasonable or rational concerning comparisons.

The Orca is great becasued its priced fantastically cheap (aprox half a bil) and does good for what its designed.

The only argument that is even close to being a "snow balls chance in hell" is the mid-freighter argument that crops up from time to time....this is like shovnig a rorqual into an orca.....a orca that can pass through stargates and freely fly to and fro.

A awesome ship for any industiralist....but spells doom for the markets and overall balance.

Its very easy to net a tidy profit for what we got...and that is why this idea is totally bad news.


Yeah, a fitted rorq is ~2 ... maybe 2.5 bil. I need to get myself a JF, just haven't had the time to throw the JF skill in yet =/


Plan for 3 to 5 Months of wrist cutting. Shocked (5,5,5 skills)


I just need Jump Freighters Blink

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Naj Panora
The Seekers of Ore
#29 - 2012-01-08 02:23:22 UTC
It seems everyone wants to make this ship a general purpose hauler which was not my intent with the ship design. I would like to see a better definition between Miners and Industrialist. Miners being the people who get the ore and Industrialist being the people who build stuff. Personally I think the Orca is too easy to get into so obviously this ship would have many many more skills required. Second the only thing this does the same as a Rorq is compress ore. It does NOT give better bonuses or offer jump capability or give people jump clones. All it really does is offer a way to move more ore and it does it slower than the Orca which is by design.

So lets get off the t2 Orca now and hear what people have to say about t3 mining ships to help differentiate miners form indy players.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#30 - 2012-01-08 03:07:45 UTC
*chuckles* when thinking of a T3 Industrial with Warp Interdiction Nullifier.
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