Missions & Complexes

I think they should be nerfed but the only thing they need is no respawn just like missions. Don't need to move them any where. The farming is the worst part not that they are in highsec. Too hell with Null and Low they already have most of the cool things.

Please read the entire post correctly. There is no mention of taking incursions out of hisec. Just better distribution :)

PS. Even the rage comments on Ripard's blog has alot of quick trigger comments that interpreted his analysis as taking incursions out of hisec. I guess this is a topic that will elicit a very visceral response from the community.

It seems to me that CCP introduced incursions with a number of stated intentions. Incursions appear to have lived up to those intentions.

- Some ppl try incursions, some don't.
- Some ppl run lots and lots of incursions, some a few, and some none at all.
- Some ppl work hard at incursions and develop very efficient methods to make substantial incomes. Some ppl work at griefing incursions and incursion-runners, with occasional success.
- Some ppl enjoy, some not fussed, some dislike.
- Some ppl moan and bleat that incursions, incursion income, incursion distribution, incursion role-playing, incursion runners (etc etc etc) are bad things. Their reasons are many and may include isk faucets (whatever a faucet is), inconsistency with game story, encourage Russian bot-miners in nullsec (or whatever apocryphal evil is in mode atm), inflates the price of T3s, keeps ppl out of nullsec / lowsec / theirsec (etc etc etc). For various reasons they decide incursions, as implemented, do not fit their model of how eve should run to best suit them ... and so they try to shift the onus to CCP to 'fix' eve so it better fits their gameplay desires.

Me? I think incursions are fine, and I run them occasionally when I am in hisec. I don't have an incursions alt, it'd not be great use of my resources since w-space income is ok in its own right.

Eve is a sandbox, if you don't like something then go do something else. But please stop moaning and whining about what other ppl choose to do, or want to do. It's their sandbox as much as it is yours or mine.

If you want other ppl to do something else then employ your leadership and charisma, engage with them, and get them to do that something else ... don't comfy-chair whine for CCP to 'fix this' or 'fix that' just because it doesn't suit you today.

No.

If you're in lowsec or nullsec and you do the same thing that Incursion runners do in high sec, you can make 180m or more per hour.

All good comments Substantia. However;



Eve is a sandbox . And within that sandbox people are allowed to counter their opinions with those of others. One is no more right than the other. But I'm simply stating that this is part of the sandbox that you so stated.

Having read enough of Ripard's entries, it's reasonably safe to assume that his feedback isn't to serve his own agenda. But to help and grow the EVE community in general. Resorting to the moaning and whining meme doesn't hold true in this case.

As someone who does lowsec Incursions, the answer is not to try to get highsec Incursion runners into lowsec. You can't have all those people there, they will be killed until the population is thinned out enough. If you think highsec Incursions pay too well, then whatever, nerf them, but in lowsec it's a dog eat dog world. If we see someone else running sites nearby then we go after them. Lowsec Incursions work great but they couldn't support more people. If more people show up either we kill them or they kill us, but we won't both be there.

I dont run incursions any more, I might for old times sakes, like.. later but there are more profitable things out there then incursions.

after 6 months and allot of hard work, my endeavors are now more profit then I had running incursions.

In the end, Incursions give every one a chance at a super shiny ship/carrier early in their eve life, this makes the game more interesting and will make people plex accounts for longer.

I might be wrong, but i think there's something to it.


Missions running is now rebounding, ratting is rebounding, and Im personally very happy to see more and more merchants actually interested in playing the market games. CCP has done some great things in the last few months.

Now for the growing delema of huge SOV alliances disappearing from the game, one by one and new ones are near impossible to create, Just my 5 cents on giving more and more people the incentive to plex their accounts for longer and longer.

Have to agree with Niga, but acknowledge that I usually concur with Rip's blogging to some degree.

The problem is that incursions, especially in highsec, offer semi-cooperative (fleets brought together on the fly with minimal pilot coordinating and trust required) pve that is palletable to both hardcore/well-connected players and casual/solo-ish players. I use the word "problem," because I see this as the catalyst for this debate, not because I personally view it as an issue harming gameplay.

The main thing to understand is that many players never make the leap to getting into an organized corp. Most of the dedicated soloists never bother with incursions, so we aren't talking about mr. anti-social mission man. We're talking about the average wife and kids weekend incursion pilot who isn't dedicated enough to EVE to warrent joining a well organized incursion team, the likes of which would be required to regularly hit incursions sites outside of highsec.

The worries about the "caravan," style incursion hopping seem valid on their face, but the reality is incursions delivered many semi-casual players from a life of mission running to pay the pvp bills (if they have any). Sending them back to their L4 agents so that the "game can be more healthy," doesn't seem like a good idea. Let the incursion casuals have their highsec incursions in numbers. The rest of us are free to operate superior fleets, beat them at/to sites, and run the more profitable incursions elsewhere.

The sandbox as it stands is essentially fine. Doctor the incrusion rewards a little if they're producing too much isk, but don't take away the pick-up incursion fleets that many rely on. And that is essentially what reducing highsec incursions would do.

There is a "nerf hisec incursions" thread 4 topics down.

Remove Incursions from hisec completely; and you won't make people in multibilion isk faction BS go to lowsec or 00. It will remain RNK and Goons fighting each-other and everyone else over lowsec and 00 incursions.

I'd do the pointless thing and remind you all that highsec incursions are nerfed by default with their earnings capped to 60% of what lowsec and 00 ones pay out.

Let me repeat that; by default lowsec and 00 incursions pay out 66% more than highsec ones. What more of nerf do you want?

And what good would these changes do?