Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Light touches!

Ok, so what happens if you let reps decrease movement speed in general, increase signature radius for shield reppers, and decrease agility for armor reppers? Lets say 1% effect for each 1000 units repped, and lets let the debuff have a 30 second timer decaying after it was applied, this will give a natural dynamic cap, and will actually give logi a role in those huge fleet fights - as webbers/target painters on tacklers. I suggest normalizing when this effect hits to reduce obvious advantages to shield boosters, this would mean that the repair effect on target ship is applied after the reppers cycle, regardless of when the repair hits.

Small gang effects quick overview:
Max % effect possible per logi (4 large reppers per logi): 9% ish.

Medium nerf to kiting setups, as the pursuing fleet lagging behind one target is going to be an advantage, and a fleeing fleet would have their one straggler which they would either have to leave, or various other mechanics.

Slightly decrease the mobility of fleet as a blob, giving local repping/bufferkiting ships increased chance of picking up stragglers and/or kiting the fleet.

Keeping one rep on FC/logi fc would be discouraged, but not fatal, as the actual % debuff would be relatively low.

Removing reps once target is full would be slightly more important.

DPS would probably stay longer on one particular target, discouraging the current "switch target and see if their logi is paying attention" meta, but certainly not removing the effect.

Buff to use of ECM as damage mitigation would beat damage repair systems by itself.

Shield fleets would be more vulnerable to higher caliber weapons and long range attacks, compunding the extender effects.

Armor fleets would be less agile in general, but also since they are already punished on speed with hullplates.

Large fleet effects:
A wing of 50 logi would actually be able to web a single target by 15% first cycle of reppers, reaching 30% after 10 seconds etc. Reaching a saturation level of 92,2% after 30 seconds. Also in effect here is targeting speed increase and increased vulnerability to missiles, also slight vulnerability to higher tier weapons when using shield boosts. While armor repairers would ruin the speed/agility of the target, making interception maneuvers / hero tackling harder to do because of loss of transversal/speed tank.

In other aspects:

Incursions logistics would be slightly affected by this change, but because of the current AI, and them switching targets relatively often, I foresee no major grievances here.

Lowsec gatecamps would be affected, but only slightly. One logi repping one target with one repper only gives an effect of about 2,3%, basically keeping the current balance.

Structure repping I'm sorry to say the structures movement speed/agility will be decreased by a number close to if not exactly infinite % making it the single most insane nerf in the history of the universe. As for signature radius, this nerf is almost non-existant in comparison.

Random bomb runs in nullsec would get more interesting versus shield fleets, and movement speed decrease with 2 fleets fighting would make adding to the fight slightly easier.

Thats what I got so far, numbers can be tweaked, and idiotic statements can and will be edited out, probably...

Commence discussion!

well they are adding falloff too RR in winter patch which could be interesting i hope they look at reducing the optimal range significantly so falloff usage will be common kind of like ecm is now in recons, also hope the T2 resists logi have is nerfed down a bit ..

no way should a support ship have better tanking ability than the combat ships like HAC's they are meant too be supporting, especially as logis tend too work in pairs at least and with the high resists make them very tough too break there tank.

Told ya so.

A simple solution: logi get their output reps reduced in a 1:1 ratio by incoming reps.

Logi A gets primaried, logi b,c,d,f pile reps on A, A loses all capablity for outgoing reps.
Let logi actually have to bring an active repper to be more effective.

Basi might need a bit of a rework.

*ed yes, that was one of my classic bad ideas, so here is another(btw, i like the idea op)
Repping overheats(at a very low rate, adjusted by thermodynamics skills) active gardeners. This will bring passive gardeners backnintonthe game, as well as active local reps. This would mean logi is exactly what it is supposed to be: support.

Not a replacement for active telling, but complimentary and used a bit more sparingly. At the same a new mod can be introduced: ancillary remote module repair, the charges for which would be a nanite paste based "cap charge"

That last bit is a flight of fancy to be sure, but its a pissoff to lose space for ammo, prostitutes and cap charges just for paste.