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So, how does it feel...?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#21 - 2012-01-07 22:59:20 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:


Or just enough for obscene company profits.


Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory?

Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around.


A natural thing to happen when you grow and invest too large in effect...on expensive things the majority of your playerbase doesn't give a **** about...



You will get no argument from me on that specific concept, I all but predicted as much a few years ago in the old forums, and railed at CCP for buying Whitewolf, and trying to build 3 games making us the paying beta testers for one of them using the revenue of just EVE subscribers.

But, they finally learned maybe, the hard way. We'll see what they do vs what they say they will do.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#22 - 2012-01-07 23:00:45 UTC
Pfft they don't need people farming PLEXes, they just need players dumb enough to fly them in a cargo to anywhere.

And btw if you were to consider the size of CCP, give each one of them a salary, and then you apply all of the other costs for offices, utilities, and the costs of running the servers and hosing special events, CCP really does have a fairly tight budget.

$15 x 12 months x 300,000 accounts = $54 million annually
580 ppl x $80k yearly salary on avg = $46.4 million annually
that's only 7.6 million to spend on things like Fanfest, hosting alliance tournament, super interwebz bandwidth, offices and utilities for said offices in 4 locations around the globe, server maintenance and upgrades, etc etc

And that's AFTER the 20% layoff, so CCP is running tight

The Drake is a Lie

Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#23 - 2012-01-07 23:06:57 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:


Or just enough for obscene company profits.


Their profits were so obscene they recently had to fire 20% of their staff to stay in business. Or is that also a part of your conspiracy theory?

Dude, step away from the bong, or start passing it around.


A natural thing to happen when you grow and invest too large in effect...on expensive things the majority of your playerbase doesn't give a **** about...



You will get no argument from me on that specific concept, I all but predicted as much a few years ago in the old forums, and railed at CCP for buying Whitewolf, and trying to build 3 games making us the paying beta testers for one of them using the revenue of just EVE subscribers.

But, they finally learned maybe, the hard way. We'll see what they do vs what they say they will do.



I heard they're on a tight budget, but from subs revenue only.

One REALLY wonders where all that money to fund so many other projects simultaneously could've come from...

Knowing player to player Plex mechanics in Eve, sub revenues can only be the tip of the iceberg.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#24 - 2012-01-07 23:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Xercodo wrote:
Pfft they don't need people farming PLEXes, they just need players dumb enough to fly them in a cargo to anywhere.

And btw if you were to consider the size of CCP, give each one of them a salary, and then you apply all of the other costs for offices, utilities, and the costs of running the servers and hosing special events, CCP really does have a fairly tight budget.

$15 x 12 months x 300,000 accounts = $54 million annually
580 ppl x $80k yearly salary on avg = $46.4 million annually
that's only 7.6 million to spend on things like Fanfest, hosting alliance tournament, super interwebz bandwidth, offices and utilities for said offices in 4 locations around the globe, server maintenance and upgrades, etc etc

And that's AFTER the 20% layoff, so CCP is running tight


Yea, that's just subs.

And we both know the Plex market's real value next to it. But it's all hushhush.
I forsee impending threadlock, should angry whistleblowers bring in some VERY inconvenient numbers...
met worst
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-01-07 23:09:48 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Pfft they don't need people farming PLEXes, they just need players dumb enough to fly them in a cargo to anywhere.

And btw if you were to consider the size of CCP, give each one of them a salary, and then you apply all of the other costs for offices, utilities, and the costs of running the servers and hosing special events, CCP really does have a fairly tight budget.

$15 x 12 months x 300,000 accounts = $54 million annually
580 ppl x $80k yearly salary on avg = $46.4 million annually
that's only 7.6 million to spend on things like Fanfest, hosting alliance tournament, super interwebz bandwidth, offices and utilities for said offices in 4 locations around the globe, server maintenance and upgrades, etc etc

And that's AFTER the 20% layoff, so CCP is running tight

The Tea Lady and The Janitor are on 80k?? Wow....
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-01-07 23:18:23 UTC
CCP gives me free PLEX just for posting. Is that a conspiracy?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Kasidis
Event Horizon Expeditionaries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2012-01-07 23:19:31 UTC
"So,how does it feel...?"

What are you Bob Dylan or something?
met worst
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-01-08 00:19:59 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CCP gives me free PLEX just for posting. Is that a conspiracy?

They thought coz you *****, moan and tear shreds off pubbie posts that you waz a mod.
Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-01-08 00:30:56 UTC
I don't think he knows that CCP is a business. Their aim is to make as much money as they can through any means necessary. I'm going to gauge his age at:

*drum roll*

12! Go back to playing with MLP dolls or whatever you young girls do these days.
Alara IonStorm
#30 - 2012-01-08 00:36:26 UTC
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:
I don't think he knows that CCP is a business. Their aim is to make as much money as they can through any means necessary. I'm going to gauge his age at:

*drum roll*

12! Go back to playing with MLP dolls or whatever you young girls do these days.

Don't knock MLP.

That show is awesome!
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#31 - 2012-01-08 00:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread?

Ok but maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet.

PS: Don't even get me started on the russian vodka thing as well, we know where that went last time...
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#32 - 2012-01-08 00:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
This isn't even close to the real conspiracy stuff, where is the Russian mob, the Illuminati banks, and all the other stuff from six months ago? Now THERE was a good conspiracy story. This isn't even a weekday afternoon family special level story.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet

Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#33 - 2012-01-08 00:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
MadMuppet wrote:
This isn't even close to the real conspiracy stuff, where it the Russian mob, the Illuminati banks, and all the other stuff from six months ago? Now THERE was a good conspiracy story. This isn't even a weekday afternoon family special level story.


I didn't have the heart to get into it, sorry but I'd rather stick to boring evidence and numbers.

If it gets me killed irl, I'll make sure the community hears about it.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#34 - 2012-01-08 01:03:13 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread.

But maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet.



You do realize that CCP releases financials every year?

Allegations like you are making require evidence, which you have yet to disclose. If you did have any evidence (you don't), the forums are not the place to discuss this, which makes you a terrible troll, and/or an idiot.

Again, I implore you, stop with the drugs, learn about how for-profit businesses work, and if you feel you are being slighted or defrauded by CCP, cancel your sub immediately. Otherwise you risk being prosecuted as a knowing participant in fraudulent activity.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#35 - 2012-01-08 01:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
Doc Fury wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:
The prospect of a serious possible money laundering issue seems to ellude everyone in this thread.

But maybe not to a private lawyer's cabinet.



You do realize that CCP releases financials every year?

Allegations like you are making require evidence, which you have yet to disclose. If you did have any evidence (you don't), the forums are not the place to discuss this, which makes you a terrible troll, and/or an idiot.

Again, I implore you, stop with the drugs, learn about how for-profit businesses work, and if you feel you are being slighted or defrauded by CCP, cancel your sub immediately. Otherwise you risk being prosecuted as a knowing participant in fraudulent activity.


Yes we're done here.

It's an important enough concern to keep the community in check about it from time to time, should any bits valuable info leak out by mishap. Dev's attitudes towards the issue have so far been very mysterious, to say the least:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21066

I will not go public on the howto's of gathering such core evidence ingame, but it should come as pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. We could continue this chat privately if you wish.

Regards,
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-01-08 01:38:01 UTC
Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!

Oh ****!

Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!

Clearly we can't have that.

On a more serious note:

GO AWAY.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#37 - 2012-01-08 01:46:45 UTC
Kaylyis wrote:
Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!

Oh ****!

Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!

Clearly we can't have that.

On a more serious note:

GO AWAY.


You misunderstood.

Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx

Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-01-08 01:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaylyis
Goe Rilla wrote:
Kaylyis wrote:
Oh **** a conspiracy to make a profit selling an entertainment medium!

Oh ****!

Call someone with authority! Quick! It's an emergency! a company is trying to make a PROFIT!

Clearly we can't have that.

On a more serious note:

GO AWAY.


You misunderstood.

Please read the thread, I wont be repeating myself. thx



You made a buncha hush-hush allegations of financial misconduct implying a lot and proving nothing with evidence. hence I consider taking these allegations seriously a waste of my time, hence mockery. Third, I would point out that CCP's Headquarters is based in Iceland. So i'd doublecheck my facts and legalese there before allegations of misconduct are bandied about, as the primary financial transactions for EVE online are brokered there.

Finally, PLEX and problems with botters as a means of laundering money are quite serious, and in most places felonious, allegations brought to bear. Without evidence to support your claim, you are enacting what civil courts define as slander and libel. Both are considered actionable in court should damage be done to the corporation's image, customer base or finances.

So, in conclusion, you are either clueless or you're stirring up ****. I'm betting the latter. The burden of proof does pretty much lie with the accuser among the trolls and crackheads (myself included) on the EVE forums. You provide no proof. If you truly believe there is such misconduct you are free to disassociate yourself from the game by unsubbing and taking this crap elsewhere.

We have enough problems with **** that needs to be fixed to make the game more smooth and functional without this threadcrap being smeared on the walls.
Alara IonStorm
#39 - 2012-01-08 01:55:53 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:

You misunderstood.

In her defense insanity is difficult thing to wrap your head around.
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-01-08 01:59:05 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Goe Rilla wrote:

You misunderstood.

In her defense insanity is difficult thing to wrap your head around.


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