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Ship bouncing with different masses

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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-11-20 01:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
Just for fun I reinstalled an ancient os and the original homeworld + newtonian physics mod( yeah not the right type, but for eve sized local space battle it sufficed). The result, split seconds of engagement followed by very long turnaround times.
Spacemarine physics ftw in comparison. I'll see if I can find a YouTube video.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#22 - 2015-11-20 08:45:29 UTC
The physics of the bumps are implemented correctly, you just forgot that the AB and MWD increase the mass of a ship.

Also why cry in a new thread when there is already another one about the same topic?
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#23 - 2015-11-20 12:45:00 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:

Daichi Yamato wrote:
A mosquito flying into an asteroid in space DOES move the asteroid...

Maybe, depending on relative sizes. But even if we accept that your assessment as correct the important question is is how far would that asteroid move and would you be able to measure it?


About as far as a frig moves a capital. That is to say not very much at all.

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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-11-20 14:56:40 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The physics of the bumps are implemented correctly, you just forgot that the AB and MWD increase the mass of a ship.

Also why cry in a new thread when there is already another one about the same topic?



Because one small bump to that threadnaght will be like that mosquito bumping a...

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#25 - 2015-11-20 15:46:21 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Zimmer Jones wrote:
ed* obviously not with mosquitos

You obviously haven't seen the mosquitos where I live. They've been know to carry off small to medium sized dogs. Big smile


Do you live in Maine? Minnesota? Or Louisiana?

Too bad your proposal did not call for using mosquitoes in that way... would finally be a good use for them besides yellow fever, malaria, and other lovely tropical diseases.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Iain Cariaba
#26 - 2015-11-20 17:14:50 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Zimmer Jones wrote:
ed* obviously not with mosquitos

You obviously haven't seen the mosquitos where I live. They've been know to carry off small to medium sized dogs. Big smile


Do you live in Maine? Minnesota? Or Louisiana?

Too bad your proposal did not call for using mosquitoes in that way... would finally be a good use for them besides yellow fever, malaria, and other lovely tropical diseases.

Alaska, where we have signs like this. Twisted

Another relevant pic.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#27 - 2015-11-21 08:02:20 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
The baisc idea here is plain to see, make EvE physics more in line with physics in real life.

Hang on there bud. You want EVE physics to be more true to life. However, instead of addressing the glaringly obvious "submarines in space", you instead cite bumping as the target for change.

I smell ulterior motive.

Hold on there cowboy. I said I would like to see some things in EvE be more accurate to real life.
Yes bumps is one of them because when you run a simulation on these using the speed and mass as listed in game you find significantly less movement in your targets than we get in game. And yes I do know about how MWD etc can influence these things.
I would like to see some equal and opposite reactions on ships that use guns.
I would like to see missiles behave in a slightly more realistic manor.
I would like to see instant hits taken away from all non-laser turret weapons and go to a velocity of shot versus distance calculation which would enable them to calculate the equal and opposite reaction thing.
No I do not want EvE to be 100% true to real life space physics that would not be good.

Rawketsled wrote:
We're talking high-school level science here.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. And anyone that had that high school level of science knowledge would also understand that an insect hitting an asteroid larger than an average house is not likely to move it very far, in fact it may not even move it enough for it to be measured by any currently available means.

oohthey ioh
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-11-21 17:15:00 UTC
Donnachad wrote:


Rawketsled wrote:
We're talking high-school level science here.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. And anyone that had that high school level of science knowledge would also understand that an insect hitting an asteroid larger than an average house is not likely to move it very far, in fact it may not even move it enough for it to be measured by any currently available means.



Is space there is no fiction for air, there if the mosquito is mov8ng fast enough relative to the asteroid the asterrod with move at high speed, till it hit an another object. The fact the frig have to be moving at high speed for the bumb to be notices, it show they bounce system is fairly realistic. Other then they bounce not collide at high speeds.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#29 - 2015-11-21 17:45:43 UTC
@Donna

Load up SiSi and bump an orca with a frig. The op is grossly exaggerating.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2015-11-21 19:04:39 UTC
Commander Riggs wrote:
One of the most strange this to me is, how is it possible that a small frigate with a mass of 1.500.000kg is able to bounce a capital ship with 960.000.000 over hundreds of kilometers?

This makes no sense and is even not realistic. The frigate should crash or even get damaged. It is like flying a mosquito into an asteroid and bounce the asteriod. The developers should care a bit more for the physics Blink

Commander Riggs


You do realize you are playing a game, right?

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2015-11-21 19:11:07 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Zimmer Jones wrote:
ed* obviously not with mosquitos

You obviously haven't seen the mosquitos where I live. They've been know to carry off small to medium sized dogs. Big smile


Do you live in Maine? Minnesota? Or Louisiana?

Too bad your proposal did not call for using mosquitoes in that way... would finally be a good use for them besides yellow fever, malaria, and other lovely tropical diseases.



Aww man, what do you have against dogs?

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#32 - 2015-11-22 03:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
I met the OP and his corp friends recently in game and they assured me that bumps are not bothering them at all or have any impact on their mining business.

They had however some trouble with fitting ships in general.
Commander Riggs
Geier GmbH
#33 - 2015-11-27 00:12:43 UTC
Ima... go back to School. Quote "The physics of the bumps are implemented correctly" .... get your Toyota and kick a 40 tons Truck of the road ... and tell me again
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#34 - 2015-11-27 00:35:46 UTC
Commander Riggs wrote:
Ima... go back to School. Quote "The physics of the bumps are implemented correctly" .... get your Toyota and kick a 40 tons Truck of the road ... and tell me again

Elastic Collisions are a thing.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#35 - 2015-11-27 06:40:33 UTC
Commander Riggs wrote:
Ima... go back to School. Quote "The physics of the bumps are implemented correctly" .... get your Toyota and kick a 40 tons Truck of the road ... and tell me again

Physics is done with math and not with gut feelings. Feel free to calculate it by yourself how much a Machariel + MWD (mass increase) at 2000 m/s would move a Freighter. You can also do the math for a Stabber + MWD at 3000 m/s against your Orca and show us how wrong EVE is.

And now tell us how you tried to bump my stabber with your frigate and how it did not work. Also tell us how it did not work for your friend as well. The fittings for the frigs are on my killboard for reference.
Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-11-29 17:49:20 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The physics of the bumps are implemented correctly, you just forgot that the AB and MWD increase the mass of a ship.

Also why cry in a new thread when there is already another one about the same topic?



Big surprise. High-sec mining, hauling, and industrial ganking filth don't want the bumping mechanics to be changed.

Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-11-29 17:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
Oh yeah, don't forget us hauler and mining filth that don't want it change either. You speak for yourself, not for all of us.

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Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-11-29 18:35:07 UTC
Zimmer Jones wrote:
Oh yeah, don't forget us hauler and mining filth that don't want it change either. You speak for yourself, not for all of us.


LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Sure Zimmer Jones. Says the guy who's been defending gankers for years.



Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-11-29 19:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
Yep, I champion their gameplay because their failure( the gankers and gankees) makes me feel better about my success. What have you lost that makes you so bitter? How did you lose it? Why shouldn't I support their efforts to part a fool from his/her isk? I adapt, avoid and prosper. I use the risk to increase my enjoyment, and i fully believe that candy taken from diaper wearing adults is fair game.

Passive schadenfreude best schadenfreude.

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Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-11-29 20:02:11 UTC
Zimmer Jones wrote:
Yep, I champion their gameplay because their failure( the gankers and gankees) makes me feel better about my success. What have you lost that makes you so bitter? How did you lose it? Why shouldn't I support their efforts to part a fool from his/her isk? I adapt, avoid and prosper. I use the risk to increase my enjoyment, and i fully believe that candy taken from diaper wearing adults is fair game.

Passive schadenfreude best schadenfreude.


I've never actually been ganked. Though I don't think much of the people who do it, particularly as a career.

In any event, I for one have also long found the bumping mechanic to be one of the most stupid things about EVE.

Particularly when a small ship can bump a much larger one.

Still you'd think an advanced space ship would be able to counterbalance any forces being applied to it against its desired heading, orientation, or direction of travel.

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