Missions & Complexes

No you addressed none of it. All you look at is dps charts and nothing else. Drones and missile ships are slower than gunships at shooting stuff because both have flight time on top of their cycle time and reloading. I am also not talking about cruiser warp speeds, you want the best possible warp speeds which with the mach is borderline interceptor warp speeds. Just by going off your last few posts it's clear you have never tried anything like this before.

baltec, honestly what are you talking about.

Missile flight time in no way at all affects actual dps. It delays the APPLICATION of that dps by the time it takes for the first volley to hit. This is important so you need to pay attention, it delays, not reduces the dps. Since this is not pvp and the rats wont warp off grid, the dps does not change. This is where volley counting comes in and it looks like you might be unfamiliar with it. This is the technique whereby you know how many volleys it takes to kill something, so you preemptively stop firing your launchers and switch target. The great thing about PvE rats in eve is they have the same stats every single time. One of the few redeeming qualities of missiles is that they will always do the same damage to the same rat going at the same speed if your fit and skills stay constant. Thus you know that rat X, with your dps and application, will die in 4 volleys. Again, there is no reduction in dps, only a single delay of maybe 5 to 10 seconds over the entire site.

That said this can be mitigated or even eliminated by flying real close to the enemy rats. So that way you wont have to count volleys. On the upside to this is the fact that if you're using heavy drones, they will be close to you so you can scoop them easily. The other advantage of an anom is that for the most part the rats all spawn in a nice tight ball. Very little travel time required for you or your drones. Of course Sentries and long range sniping is also a very viable tactic with the rattlesnake because again, missile damage applying same damage regardless of range. Just make sure to practice your volley counting.

And yes, I have plenty of experience with the above, I ratted for many months in null with a Typhoon fleet. If you're unfamiliar with that ship it can fit cruise missiles and use 5 sentries so I had a decent amount of practice on counting volleys and using drones to finish off NPCs so you dont have overkill either. Dank efficiency.

Then theres the Machariel. While it doesn't quite have the application at range of a missile boat it has decently tracking ACs that can hit battleships at point blank very effectively, applying most of its 1400 dps (Small part of that is drones, either sentries of Hevaies)

Now, regarding the warp speed. You're going to need to read both paragraphs this time otherwise you're going to say something silly again. An ishtar has a base warp speed of 3.3 while a Machariel has a base warp speed of 3. However, the ishtar has only two rig slots, while the Mach has 3. This means the Machariel can actually go faster than the ishtar. 5 au/s vs 5.2 au/s. With High-Grade Ascendencies it's 8.1 au/s for the ishtar (a cruiser) and 8.5 au/s for the Mach. I however do not think it is worth spending that much for something that gives such a tiny effect when it comes to ratting. The rattlesnake, granted, is a bit of a slowpoke at only 4 au/s and 5.6 au/s with implants. There's also align time but that's 3 seconds of difference between a cruiser and the Mach so meh.

That said however, this actually matter far more when it comes to missions than it ever will with anoms. Since it's a single, in system warp from site to site (Where you spend 90% or more of your time in the site so warp speed effect on income is reduced over time) while in the case of blitzing missions far less than half the time is actually spent in site and more than half is spent in warp.

Now the fact that you didn't know any of the above is a little distressing baltec1, since you are giving advice as if you know a lot about this stuff.

I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell anyone that gets less than 100mill running missions: You're doing it wrong. The reply I usually get is that they like doing it that way and that I should bugger off. It's the exact same thing. I can tell you how to do it right but you'll complain it's not fair and you shouldn't have to do X Y and Z. It's the exact same thing. People don't want to have to run burners to make 200mill/h. People don't want to have to deal with LP stores, people want to be able to do it without having to grind standings, people want to be able to do it afk, people want to not have to pay attention, people don't want to lose ships, people don't want to *effort*, etc, etc, etc.

It's a whole bunch of entitlement and that's all I hear coming from you.

If we compare mission hubs that have the same population as with dek we find dek has several hundred more killed every month. In total nullsec space beats highsec for ships killed by several million.

Are you aware that you didn't address a single thing in the post you quoted? And if you are all using to the fact that you would just tell me to use alt, can you not understand that by doing so, you would be proving the point I and others are making?

Why is it so hard for you to admit that we may be right, and that there is a problem with how things work? pride? stubbornness? Whatever the case is, I simply want you to realize that your doing that about a video game.

Lastly, explain to me how discussing measureable imbalanced while NOT asking for more isk/wealth for myself (or people like me) is 'entitlement. True entitlement is you making use of a broken system and expecting that to never change,

Everything in here is just personal attacks. It's pretty much over at this point if that's all you and baltec have left when I throw facts and evidence at you. Ah well, I'm always up for discussing PvE mechanics and numbers.

Wow, not quite sure how a thread about what you could potentially earn in ISK in high-sec turned into a high-sec vs. low-sec vs. null-sec vs. wormhole income debate... In this (and other) thread(s) I was simply trying to illustrate what was achievable if one put one's mind to it. I don't think high-sec income needs to be nerfed anymore than any other area, simply for the reason that your average player isn't going to run 3 characters (typically 1 or 2 at most).

The Blitz-Burner method for Lv4s can certain pay off dividends, but no more so than using the same method in low-sec or null-sec. It's a fairly huge investment at around 5-billion ISK - not to mention the necessary skills. You can apparently make insane ISK in Faction Warfare and we won't even mention farming C5s and C6s or Incursions (everything has an associated risk vs. reward that accompanies it).

Thats just the problem. The 'viewpoint' doesn't have any merit.

The problem is how you try to reduce it ("high sec pve can be lucrative"). It's supposed to be lucrative. Lucrative means producing profit, it does not mean "produce so much profit in a game for so very few people that people who would be elsewhere are drawn to it". That's why the argument isnt' the high sec is profitable, it's that high sec is "too profitable, so much so as to be unbalanced".

I once explained to a guy at a pve round table event that I wasn't trying to take anyhting out of his wallet, I'm trying to free people like me from high sec. This benefits everyone: people like me get to produce our wealth in space we fought for, and people in high sec get to run incursions they would have otherwise been froze out of because of all the null sec alting.

Same goes for closing the blitzing loophole. Sure, closing those loopholes make people like Anize have to grind a bit harder, but it increases the value of the LPs that the "casual mission runner in a raven" has. Who knows, higher buying power for those casuals after these loopholes are closed might mean they stay longer, because they can do more because the Onamara's of EVE arne't depressing the value of their gameplay anymore.

Of course, one has to actually care about the experiences of others to want to see a major game play feature (PVE) actually be balanced.

So now we're blaming things that didn't even exist at the time? Burners only came out after that fanfest if you're talking about 2014, the last one being 2015 and 2014 being before that one. You're not even grasping at straws anymore Jenn, you're blatantly making things up. Not cool.

So Jenn, is your solution that blitzing should not be possible? Or that burners should not exist, or should take as long as a normal lvl4? Should Anizes methods just not be possible at all, meaning normal hisec missioners can't have a goal of being better at what they do than a normal player? You keep comparing different activities Seriously, until you tell us exactly what change you would like to see...

And don't try to tell me you're doing this for other people's benefit. You just want it all your way, and people aren't allowed to play how they want.

I am thinking of the children, cos at the moment I'm thinking of you and your grizzling.

Edt: like you have been fond of pointing out Jenn, it's a GAME.