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Orthrus Solo PVP

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Naasimi Kaitan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-11-25 18:07:46 UTC
I am just returning to EvE with a new account after a few years, and I recently decided to set my sights on becoming proficient at solo PVP. I have my ship, fitting, and skill plan all worked out, and I wanted to see what people thought of the fit, as well as what I should be doing while I wait the 600ish days for all my skills to train. My goal is to fly the Orthrus because from what I've seen, it looks like an excellent solo PVP ship, but honestly, it's mostly because it just looks so darn cool.

Here's the fit (And yes, I do understand that it's pretty expensive):

[Orthrus Solo PVP]

Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Shield Extender II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler
Caldari Navy Warp Disruptor

Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Imperial Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Hornet EC-300 x5

And now for a couple questions:

1. I'm assuming that this fit would be good for fighting frigates, and currently, it puts out 233dps. What size ships should I focus on fighting with this setup?

2. If I remove the XLASB, replace it with another LSE II, and switch to HAM launchers, what kind of ships can I expect to stand up against, being mostly speed and range tanked?

And finally, my biggest question:

3. What should I be doing between now and the time that I can actually fly this thing from a skills point of view?
Titus Heldane
The Vomit Comets
#2 - 2015-11-25 18:20:59 UTC
id use rapid lights. dump a med neut, get an ancillary or use a low slot but get rapid lights. you can easily get 600 dps with an orthrus applied perfectly to any frigs. it is getting a big dps nerf in december though so itll be less strong but still pretty damn cancerous. HAMs are a bad idea due to bad application compared to rapids. if youre bored you can train into a derptron and join a newbie corp like Brave, Northern Army or Pandemic Horde.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2015-11-25 18:28:06 UTC
Problems:

- It's too needlessly expensive in some areas. Don't use faction (or any kind of "special") weaponry. You will get more bang for your buck with Tech II weapons

- You are using Frigate/Destroyer weaponry on a Cruiser. Trade up for Rapid Light Launchers at the very least. If you want to take on more beefy targets, go with Heavy Missiles (not Heavy Assault Missiles, those are short range).

- Everythig else looks okay... but you are going to have to make some tradeoffs when you fit better weapons.


To answer your questions directly;

1a. With your current fit, Frigates will be about the only things you can kill. And maybe not even that if they can tank ~200 dps.

2a. You can feasibly kill Destroyers and some Cruisers... but this is assuming that you are not dog piled and summarily executed (hint; people HATE the Orthus. When they see it, they either run away or call for back-up).

3a. Join up with a PvP corporation... fly in fast, kitey, missile ships (ex: Kestrel, Hookbill, Corax, Osprey Navy Issue, etc).... and learn the tactics, the feel, and the meta-game.
Understand, even the best solo pilots had to learn somehwere (and often from someone). Raw talent (see; skillpoints) won't help you if you don't know how to use it properly.
Naasimi Kaitan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-11-25 19:57:43 UTC
Thank you both for the advice. I made a couple changes to my loadout and it looks much better.
Naasimi Kaitan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-11-25 20:04:26 UTC
Another quick question, is flying a Garmur as practice for eventually flying the Orthrus worth it, or should I just go directly for the Orthrus?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2015-11-25 20:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Sort of, think about a rapid light crackle*/navy crackle and or Cerberus as they can be fit in the same way and sort of fill the same role.

Practice with those will be several orders of magnitude cheaper, if you limit yourself to t2 mods and maby a cheap faction module or two.


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Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-11-25 20:50:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
*that's what it's called after a bear or two.
You ate two bears? You must be full.

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-11-25 22:02:35 UTC
Needs more links.

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Naasimi Kaitan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-11-25 22:23:22 UTC
While practicing, should I limit myself to T2 mods for everything or just the most expensive stuff?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-11-25 22:57:47 UTC
Depending upon your income and skill.

When you're exploding less than the other guy I might start thinking about it.
And even then personally I don't like hanging much isk on hacs or navy cruisers.

Pirate ones and t3's I'm confident in yes absolutely but I tend to keep the rest cheap(ish)

Do you have an alt account you can run simultaneously with your main?
If so I would seriously consider training it into a boosting ship.
Naasimi Kaitan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-11-25 23:36:59 UTC
Thanks for the advice, everybody. I'm rethinking going for solo right away, and I think I'll look into joining a corp like Brave. I know this is something I could research myself, but about how long would it take to train an effective alt booster?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2015-11-26 00:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
T3 cruiser with a covert ops cloak and scanning abilities you're looking about six(ish) months if you map it correctly,
more for a command ship obviously.


Edit: thats from scratch and for full t2 boosts, you can get by with t1 links just fine
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#13 - 2015-11-26 06:36:03 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
...-very good advice-
3a. Join up with a PvP corporation... fly in fast, kitey, missile ships (ex: Kestrel, Hookbill,
-->Corax, ..


Shah dear, I usually agree with you but you said fast and Corax in one sentence Sad

I think you meant the upcoming Stork, she will be fast and kitey - oh YES.

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Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-11-26 11:19:01 UTC
This is how you fit an Orthrus.

[Orthrus, Standard Orthrus]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Microwarpdrive II
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

You can downgrade the long point to T2 but i would suggest keeping the scram faction. Scram is to be used defensively heated to prevent tackle making contact.

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2015-11-26 11:46:38 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
This is how you fit an Orthrus.... -rapid launcher meta fit of the year-


So you are saying heavy missiles are bad?

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Valkin Mordirc
#16 - 2015-11-26 12:26:32 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
This is how you fit an Orthrus.... -rapid launcher meta fit of the year-


So you are saying heavy missiles are bad?


He said nothing about HML...

I know you know the costs of fitting HML's on an Orthus.

RLML are readily the more apparent and better choice for an Orthrus bar none right now.
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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#17 - 2015-11-26 23:56:38 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
This is how you fit an Orthrus.... -rapid launcher meta fit of the year-


So you are saying heavy missiles are bad?


He said nothing about HML...

I know you know the costs of fitting HML's on an Orthus.

RLML are readily the more apparent and better choice for an Orthrus bar none right now.


That's not what I meant. I meant that heavy missiles are supposed to be the long range "gun" for the Orthrus but for a reason I almost cannot fathom it is unusable so we have to make do with frigate guns.

Was nothing against Switch - The Tuskers know very well what they are doing, so no worries here - it's just you have to use frigate guns to shoot everything and up.

Odd isn't it?

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2015-11-27 09:50:06 UTC
in 600 days I doubt the orthrus will be in the same condition it is now. heck it is getting nerfed a bit in a week or two.

my advice, get a caracal and try that. fit it with t2/meta4 gear and see what you like/dislike. then maybe try a scythe fleet issue for a bit more speed.

and rapid lights are cruiser mods with frigate application. last I saw RLML out damaged HML on a bunch of typical targets. I kinda like HAMs, but not sure othrus is the right platform for them, doesn't really range match, and without a painter/web I question their application potential.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2015-11-27 11:15:34 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
in 600 days I doubt the orthrus will be in the same condition it is now. heck it is getting nerfed a bit in a week or two.

my advice, get a caracal and try that. fit it with t2/meta4 gear and see what you like/dislike. then maybe try a scythe fleet issue for a bit more speed.

and rapid lights are cruiser mods with frigate application. last I saw RLML out damaged HML on a bunch of typical targets. I kinda like HAMs, but not sure othrus is the right platform for them, doesn't really range match, and without a painter/web I question their application potential.

It is, or I should say I'm not clever enough to get it to work that way.
I really really want to make it a ham brawler but i just suck at it soo badly,
it's either paper thin with good application or has shag all dps whenever I try to fit it for that.

I'd love a brawling fit for it it if anyone has a combat proven one.
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-11-27 13:59:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Riko
It's perfectly fine to have a long term goal of flying an Orthrus, however you should have many short term goals as you progress to that.

IMO you should start off in frigates and move your way up. Start by flying kitey missile frigates like the Caldari T1 frigates. Then once you've gotten the hang of those and your core skills good enough you can graduate into navy/pirate faction ships like the Garmur. I would only consider moving into Cruiser sized vessels once you've really got a hang of frigate sized PVP.

Edit:
Ignore everyone telling you to train a booster, off-grid links are being removed very shortly.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.

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