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Whats with all the Tengu pilots??
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Amir the Terrible
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-01-07 21:07:50 UTC
Hi,

i'm still pretty new to the game, got the basics down and then had a little break. I'm looking to buy a character with a better skill set but looking at the forum for character sales I'm seeing a huge list of Tengu pilots for sale.
Are they not of much use anymore and people want to get rid or are they very useful and people are making a fast sale of holding alts?

I don't uderstand wy they are all on sale at the same time...can someone explain to a noob please?

Thanks in advance.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#2 - 2012-01-07 21:15:37 UTC
Tengu pilots sell well.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Liam Mirren
#3 - 2012-01-07 21:57:19 UTC
The majority of chars bought are used as alts for various usages, "making money running lvl 4s" is one of the favourites and the Tengu is perceived to be godly at it.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-01-07 21:57:21 UTC
Amir the Terrible wrote:
Hi,

i'm still pretty new to the game, got the basics down and then had a little break. I'm looking to buy a character with a better skill set but looking at the forum for character sales I'm seeing a huge list of Tengu pilots for sale.
Are they not of much use anymore and people want to get rid or are they very useful and people are making a fast sale of holding alts?

I don't uderstand wy they are all on sale at the same time...can someone explain to a noob please?

Thanks in advance.



A lot of the characters on the bazaar aren't main characters that people grew tired off; they are farmed characters. Just as people will buy PLEX and sell them on the market for ISK, people will create accounts, train a character on the account until it has a desirable skillset, and sell it off.

The Tengu just happens to be a very versatile ship (popular for PVE) and the skills needed to pilot a tengu are also used to pilot many other Caldari ships.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-08 23:22:00 UTC
Mainly cause Tengu's are a jack of all trades, they are good at PvE and also decent at PvP. That's why there is a demand for Tengu pilots and some people don't want to train skills for them but just buy the toons.

To a new player I would suggest to not straight buy a character who can fly for instance tengu, as you lack the skills (not the ingame skillpoints) to fly the ship properly. Can't say it can't be done, but suggest you try getting the basics of the game etc with small en mostly less expensive ships till you get to know how EVE works.

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ariana ailith
Dukalin
#6 - 2012-01-23 10:14:17 UTC
Or be a man and train one yourself?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-23 10:50:35 UTC
ariana ailith wrote:
Or be a man and train one yourself?


^ this, why be lazy and buy a character if you can train it yourself. As even when you buy a multi-million SP character you can't properly fly any of the ships it can pilot, besides ingame skills you need to know what you are doing etc.

Don't be lazy, train yourself into bigger ships while you learn, only good way EVE should be played.

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ariana ailith
Dukalin
#8 - 2012-01-23 15:05:41 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
ariana ailith wrote:
Or be a man and train one yourself?


^ this, why be lazy and buy a character if you can train it yourself. As even when you buy a multi-million SP character you can't properly fly any of the ships it can pilot, besides ingame skills you need to know what you are doing etc.

Don't be lazy, train yourself into bigger ships while you learn, only good way EVE should be played.


This and this!
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-01-23 18:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cathy Drall
J'Poll wrote:
ariana ailith wrote:
Or be a man and train one yourself?


^ this, why be lazy and buy a character if you can train it yourself. As even when you buy a multi-million SP character you can't properly fly any of the ships it can pilot, besides ingame skills you need to know what you are doing etc.

Don't be lazy, train yourself into bigger ships while you learn, only good way EVE should be played.

Well if CCP supports character sales, they obviously don't think training characters yourself is the "only good way EVE should be played."

While I would never buy a character myself (and I have 42 mil SP now anyway) I can see the advantages. A lot of players don't really like EVE in the beginning and they hope that when they get more versaitile and have higher SP, they will like it more. As long as you're careful with what ships you fly and stay careful I think starting with a few million SP isn't a bad start.

Starting off with a very expensive ship like a Tengu may be less of a good idea, but with those skills you can easily start flying Kestrels and Caracals and Drakes to get the idea of how things work in EVE.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2012-01-24 15:23:52 UTC
Cathy Drall wrote:


Starting off with a very expensive ship like a Tengu may be less of a good idea, but with those skills you can easily start flying Kestrels and Caracals and Drakes to get the idea of how things work in EVE.


You can do this with a new character. Noobs buying characters with lots of sp to fly expensive stuff always ends up in hilarious loss mails.

Character buying is most intelligently used when you have a good understanding of the game mechanics but don't want to wait (i.e. need to make some isk, get a tengu alt or have 2 characters for 3-4 years, you've been in carriers/dreads but now you want to step it up thus sell both and buy a titan pilot).
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-25 10:17:08 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Cathy Drall wrote:


Starting off with a very expensive ship like a Tengu may be less of a good idea, but with those skills you can easily start flying Kestrels and Caracals and Drakes to get the idea of how things work in EVE.


You can do this with a new character. Noobs buying characters with lots of sp to fly expensive stuff always ends up in hilarious loss mails.

While of course an experienced pilot may appreciate a character better I don't think giving a new pilot a lot of SP is necesssarily bad. If you don't convert plex into ISK the pilot may still have to get enough money to buy ships and has learn how to do that before he/she can jump into more expensive ones.

And I always wondered how you are supposed to fly and understand ships if you don't have the sklills to do so. How can I get to decently fly and fit ships that I'm not even allowed to fly in months, even years? And the same ship is very different if you fly them with optimized skills as well.

Personally, once I had piloted cruisers, BCs and battleships were more or less the same thing, only bigger. The same tracking issues but only worse, the same lack of speed compared to frigates. I don't see how you need years to be able to fly them all as you already understand most of the mechanisms underlying EVE's fitting and tanking sysyems.

So I'd say let ISK, not skills be the bottleneck.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-01-25 10:56:01 UTC
Cathy Drall wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Cathy Drall wrote:


Starting off with a very expensive ship like a Tengu may be less of a good idea, but with those skills you can easily start flying Kestrels and Caracals and Drakes to get the idea of how things work in EVE.


You can do this with a new character. Noobs buying characters with lots of sp to fly expensive stuff always ends up in hilarious loss mails.

While of course an experienced pilot may appreciate a character better I don't think giving a new pilot a lot of SP is necesssarily bad. If you don't convert plex into ISK the pilot may still have to get enough money to buy ships and has learn how to do that before he/she can jump into more expensive ones.

And I always wondered how you are supposed to fly and understand ships if you don't have the sklills to do so. How can I get to decently fly and fit ships that I'm not even allowed to fly in months, even years? And the same ship is very different if you fly them with optimized skills as well.

Personally, once I had piloted cruisers, BCs and battleships were more or less the same thing, only bigger. The same tracking issues but only worse, the same lack of speed compared to frigates. I don't see how you need years to be able to fly them all as you already understand most of the mechanisms underlying EVE's fitting and tanking sysyems.

So I'd say let ISK, not skills be the bottleneck.


It's not the ingame skills we are talking about that new players lack to fly ships. It's the actual skills of the player learns over time by playing EVE.

With this most mean:
- Know the way how game mechanics work (triggers in missions, what are certain ships good for and mostly bad against).
- Know how to fit a ship, and even more, know WHY you fit a ship like that. So understanding what modules you need and why you need them.

Both of these things come over time, and again best to get used to them in inexpensive dessies or cruisers then using you shiny T3 for it. Loosing that will mean a huge ISK loss aswell as loss of skillpoints.

And on it takes years too fly something with the ingame skills so how can I learn. Even in a frigate you will learn what the pro's and con's of (for instance) a battleship are by doing some reading etc.

Yes, you can buy a character who can fly a tengu (usually though that's all they can) as mostly it's just the skills, not the actual tengu they own. So you end up with a tengu-able character witout a tengu or ISK as all the guy did is train the guy for it.
But when you have a tengu, you don't why it is fitted like that and how to use it properly.
So learn how to fit and how EVE works while you advance through the game (skills) as this is the way CCP implanted the skills in EVE. True, characters can be bought from market, but in my honost opinion that is something you should only do if you need a character later on and already know the way EVE works.

*for instance you have a PvP pilot but want a 2nd character who can run Incursions to make money for PvP*

JP


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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-25 23:16:06 UTC
Tengu is the new Drake. So obviously at the top of it's class that they're more common than capsules. They're nerfing the Drake because it was 'too good' and I'd expect the Tengu to be similarly castrated in the future.
Borg Stoneson
SWARTA
#14 - 2012-01-26 01:33:17 UTC
A lot of 0.0 alliances are starting to field tengu fleets as well, they're getting popular. Where there's demand there are people ready to fill it.