Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Proposal: Limit Ancillary Shield boosters to one per ship

Why change this module?
1. Ancillary Armor repairs are already limited to one per ship.
2. Dual ancillary shield boosters are a very powerful (overpowered?) combo. [See Dual ancillary boosters, & svipul].
3. Dual Ancillaries give shield ships a second way (besides passive regen), to have capless tank, and with far fewer fitting limitations than passive regen.

Discussion:
I was on SiSi doing t3 destroyer duels, testing fits for the different destroyers. Svipul obviously stood out as the best. Yes the svipul is easy to fit, but the main reason it is so strong and so easy to fit is these dual ancillary mediums. Combined with Cap-less guns, Cap-less tank, the complete freedom to fit 2 neuts and leave them running forever just syngergizes monstrously. Compound this with a basicaly infinite tank since you can fit 287+ Cap Booster 50s in your cargo hold, and svipuls fits this way might as well be a t4 destroyer.

I imagine if dual ancillaries are broken as hell on this ship, then it is on other ships with high resists too. If the reason to keep the modules this way, (multiple ancillaries per ship) is intended and makes shield tanking unique, then fine. But otherwise, it should be limited in the same way as ancillary armor repairs. So one per ship, because the way the modules are configured now they are ripe for abuse.

PS: I will be abusing them too now that I know.

Agreed ... however, some Vargurnerds would hate you :)

-1 the duel asb fits aren't all that op and a module being over powered on one ship is not a reason to nerff the entire module


The fact that AAR can only be for one is irrelevant for one armor had more resistance and gain a larger benefit from reps. Secondly armor and shield tank do not need to be more similar is good that they fly differently and have access to different fitting modules.



(As for the svip it is far from op with duel ASBs)

triple asb vargurs are for winners

A few comments on this.

1. You're opinion on the ASB is wrong. I'll never be able to justify it to you, or convince you of it, but still in the end - it's wrong.
2. ASBs allow a lot of content to happen that wouldn't otherwise. Small gangs fighting above thier weight class is just one.
3. Before ASB local shield rep pvp didn't happen beyond the frigate level. Now it does.
4. Will some folks fall victim to ships sporting ASB? Yeah they will. They will also be open to loss from ships fitting a very large alternate array of modules. Drams were OP - everyone flew them. Ishtards - again everyone was flying them - OP. Everyone isn't running around w/ ASB - NOT OP. (again - your opinion is wrong and the vast population is proving it by not flying ASB only)

I don't like brussel sprouts, but they aren't OP.

Yeah! Dual XLASB ravens are so powerful, they get about the same tank as a dual armor rep phoon (1 AAR/1 LAR). This is too powerful. Nerf plz.

ASBs use an absurd amount of cpu. 2 XLASBs on a BS still normally need a cpu rig. AAR use the same fitting as t1 reps (less in some cases). They continue to rep (albeit at a reduced amount) when they run out of charges.

ASBs on the other hand stop repping and go into long reload. During this time you have 0 tank. Yes you can stagger them for a sustainable tank, but all it takes is enough dps to deplete them quickly and you can kill most ASB setups.

"But the Vargur!". The vargur is a marauder and has bastion and a shield boost bonus. To really make an XLASB setup work you need crystals and links. This not the fault of only the module, but a combination of bonuses. Same story for the sleip.

The svipul is similar because it has a "tank" mode and small sig. The small sig mitigates damage and so he doesnt have to cycle the ASBs as much. Again, this is not the fault of the module, but the ship its fitted on. This will probably change come december and the svipul will see either a speed nerf or sig increase (or both).

It just mean that you're bad at managing your ship, as you forgot to reload a module. Don't worry, it may happen to everybody, no one is going to point at you for not being an elite PvPer.

Actually it is far better to keep it repping at the reduced amount if you have cleared a lot of the DPS off the field than to go onto a long reload with no reps at all. So Stitch is correct it is a useful feature of AARs.

I am not sure what you are talking about to be honest.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50142148/

http://www.twitch.tv/zarvoxtoral/v/25516481?t=38m49s


They are not THAT OP.

Yea because affecting active tanking for both armor tanking and non ASB shield fits to fix a module that doesnt even need fixing is a good idea.