Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please keep in mind, that RR-T3Ds are something people like and use ... don't ruin them too ;)

Making a class that has tools for close to any situation is generally a surefire way of making an OP class. It happened in other games too.

I kind of agree with this. Make the T3Ds unable to use a cruiser size AB. Then see how they do.

Translation : Don't nerf me bro!

It's an easy, obvious and elegant solution to many of the problems indeed so it probably won't happen because folks who thought that Mordu and T3D was a good idea don't recognise a good idea when they see one. Or a bad one at that.

so are svipuls still going unnerfed? what's going on with this?

The mode system is kind of OP in general. You never know what you are facing when fighting them and simple click drastically changes what the ship is capable of in PVP. How you do you logically plan strategy around that?

The whole assault frigate argument doesn't really hold much weight either. T3 Desties are a ship size and tech level higher. They will of course eliminate the role AF's filled. (I don't like it either but I am not sure what people expected) Not to mention AF's have been struggle to fill a role for years anyway.

When I first saw these things I immediately thought that they looked OP as hell. I now have a sub, and have been training for a confessor ever since. My luck they will get nerfed by the time I can fly one well.

May have been suggested already, but here's what I think: Assault Frigs could use a little speed. A T2 Rifter isn't supposed to be slower than a T1 Rifter -- it's supposed to be BETTER.

The Svipul - and only the Svipul - could use some toning down on the sensor strength and speed bonus in propulsion mode.

How do I figure? I fly Confessors, Jackdaws and Svipuls (haven't flown the Hecate because Gallente) - and the Svipul in propulsion mode matches the speed on assault frigs easily (it's the only T3D that goes well over a 1000 m/sec faster than the others!). Similarly, the Svipul in sharpshooter mode gets considerably better lockspeed than the others I've handled.

One would assume assault frigates, being smaller, target stuff faster. Because that's usually how it goes in EvE. The Svipul is an exception here.

One would assume destroyers are on-par with cruisers speeds and somewhat slower than assault frigs. Again, the Svipul is an exception.

I'm not talking the Big Bang here -- just a minor tweak (say, +8 m/sec on all assault frig) and a minor adjustment on the Svipul's Propmode / Sharpshooter bonusses would do the trick I think. The bonus on tracking speed is excellent; the scanres bonus is ... too much of a good thing. A Svipul in Defensive or Sharpshooter mode moves just fine; yet in Propulsion mode it could use less raw speed. Or, if top speed remains the way it is (to allow the ship to remain "different"), then gimp its agility (the exact opposite of the Jackdaw's Propmode).

While I do agree with your statement, I feel assault frigates need a little "something" to give them an edge. They ought to be different, "specialised", yes? Well then ... what exactly are they specialised in? I always assumed they were beefier, damage dealing versions of the vanilla frigs; yet as it stands, they this role is completely overshadowed by T3 destroyers because T3Ds have taken over their sigradius bonus, and move at roughly the same speeds as well.

What I'm trying to get at, is that you may want to review their specialisation by giving them a little velocity buff as to ensure there's still a place for them. Different is one thing, no discussion there. But I also want better. Because I paid good ISK for it. Does that make sense to you?

The old 50% MWD sigradius reduction is no longer a selling point as T3Ds have it too. So... dare I suggest an 80% MWD sigradius reduction? A plain speed buff perhaps?

"Why speed" you ask? Well, because that would differentiate them from Tech III destroyers. Destroyers can retain their role as frigblapping machines with or without this modification; but I could once again undock an assault frig and feel like I've made a meaningful choice -- in this case, speed over gank/tank.

Your T1 frig would still be 'different' ; case in fact, a Rifter can fit scram/web/MWD whereas a Wolf only has 2 mids. It is by definition not a tackler but fleet DPS support.

Have we considered applying a DPS malus when in defensive/prop modes? Their current DPS to tank ratio is foobar, imo.