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The 24th Red Crusade
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Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-11-24 03:31:41 UTC
Neph wrote:
The Elder invasion was launched to free and restore enslaved peoples and crush all opposition. Last time I checked, that wasn't exactly the aim of the Amarr reclaiming fleets, but that was 900 years ago.


Not to provoke any additional verbal jousting where it not needed but I suppose that statement adequately surmises the cultural differences between the modern Empire and Republic. The Amarr simply don't look at the Reclamation like that.

Neph wrote:

Talk, mutually beneficial talk, is the only way to fix the steaming pile of **** we were served, but since nobody's interested in that, I'll just keep making money off the war and shittalking in local. Sometimes I consider it a shame I'm not nearly Practical enough to join the Amarr Militia, I hear their LP is worth a lot.


I for the most part agree. I'd like to believe the future of the Reclaming does not have to lie in an era of bitter and internicine war and that with a more politically moderate Emperor or Empress set to assuming the Throne that this might not be the case. Until then however like many others I'll fight for what I believe in.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#62 - 2015-11-24 03:39:36 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Neph wrote:
The Elder invasion was launched to free and restore enslaved peoples and crush all opposition. Last time I checked, that wasn't exactly the aim of the Amarr reclaiming fleets, but that was 900 years ago.


Not to provoke any additional verbal jousting where it not needed but I suppose that statement adequately surmises the cultural differences between the modern Empire and Republic. The Amarr simply don't look at the Reclamation like that.


Hmm. If anything, I think it's better understood as a call to reflection upon the cultural differences between the modern Empire and the Empire a millennia ago.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#63 - 2015-11-24 03:40:52 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Similarly, what punitive action would you like the Republic to have taken on dead men, considering the Elder Fleet was destroyed? Or would you have had the Minmatar Republic attack nomadic Thukker bands in the Great Wildlands, with no indications who actually constructed those ships?


The Elder Fleet wasn't destroyed. A third of it retreated back to Republic space, where it was given sanctuary by the Republic despite orders from CONCORD to apprehend them.

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The Elders were not represented by the governing body of the Republic. They did not live in the Republic. They were not affiliated with the Republic.


There were Republic ships with the Elder Fleet. It is well known that many Republic Fleet vessels abandoned their posts to join the Elder Fleet, and the Republic protected the Elders when they retreated from Amarr. The only evidence we have of the Republic not being involved was a statement by Midular's government... which was deposed shortly after.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#64 - 2015-11-24 03:42:37 UTC
Neph wrote:
An honorable position. To turn the conversation back to the matter at hand, do you believe that the Empire should allow professing Blooders to represent it?


Absolutely not.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-11-24 07:15:34 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:

Oh great, yet another slaver sympathizer comes onto the IGS and attempts to portray the imperials as victims. I would remind said sympathizer that had the Amarr not invaded and systematically committed genocide and kidnapping on a planetary scale that the Elder Fleet would have never existed. We'd have left the Amarrians alone because we'd have had no reason to attack them.

There is basically no valid reason for Minmatars attacking Amarrians, yet they do it, calling "slavers" or "slaver sympathizers", just because it is internal Amarr Empire politics, not external. For hundreds of years the Amarr Empire didn't enslave anyone, except criminals and prisoners of war. Of course, there were illegal slavers, but if you would look into same republic, they have even whole illegal slave cartel, that might get way more slaves than independant criminal slavers from the Empire.

But on the other hand, taking into account it is Anabella Rella, even logic won't make her stiff brains work.

Anabella Rella wrote:

Sorry but, none of the other modern empires has invaded and attempted to convert at gunpoint another EXCEPT THE AMARR.

It is funny to see that some primitives haven't heard about existence of Gallente Federation. Because the Amarr Empire stopped doing it quite long ago, while the Federation was doing it merely 200 years ago.

Anabella Rella wrote:

You and your masters, as the cluster's original aggressors, have no right to lecture anyone about the rule of law or play the aggrieved party.

Said supporter of tribals and gallentes, who have started both war with Empire and the State. Wow. Just wow.
Ignorance overload. Now question: what does have Rella in her head? Wood splinters instead of brains?

The conclusion:
Anabella Rella must be reenslaved, kept in chains and shouldn't be allowed to speak as she fails to use logic anyway.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#66 - 2015-11-24 13:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Diana Kim wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:

Oh great, yet another slaver sympathizer comes onto the IGS and attempts to portray the imperials as victims. I would remind said sympathizer that had the Amarr not invaded and systematically committed genocide and kidnapping on a planetary scale that the Elder Fleet would have never existed. We'd have left the Amarrians alone because we'd have had no reason to attack them.

There is basically no valid reason for Minmatars attacking Amarrians, yet they do it, calling "slavers" or "slaver sympathizers", just because it is internal Amarr Empire politics, not external. For hundreds of years the Amarr Empire didn't enslave anyone, except criminals and prisoners of war. Of course, there were illegal slavers, but if you would look into same republic, they have even whole illegal slave cartel, that might get way more slaves than independant criminal slavers from the Empire.

But on the other hand, taking into account it is Anabella Rella, even logic won't make her stiff brains work.

Anabella Rella wrote:

Sorry but, none of the other modern empires has invaded and attempted to convert at gunpoint another EXCEPT THE AMARR.

It is funny to see that some primitives haven't heard about existence of Gallente Federation. Because the Amarr Empire stopped doing it quite long ago, while the Federation was doing it merely 200 years ago.

Anabella Rella wrote:

You and your masters, as the cluster's original aggressors, have no right to lecture anyone about the rule of law or play the aggrieved party.

Said supporter of tribals and gallentes, who have started both war with Empire and the State. Wow. Just wow.
Ignorance overload. Now question: what does have Rella in her head? Wood splinters instead of brains?

The conclusion:
Anabella Rella must be reenslaved, kept in chains and shouldn't be allowed to speak as she fails to use logic anyway.

So what's your opinion on blood raiders in the 24ic? Are they either detrimental or helpful to the 24ic war machine? More of a threat to the TLF?
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#67 - 2015-11-24 14:29:04 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
Honestly, I don't even know what is the purpose of this thread.

There's probably one actual open Blood Raider in the Amarr militia - Nauplius.

But I hope that everyone here is also well aware that:

- All, and I mean all, militias are full of mercenaries, privateers, profiteers, simply pirates and criminals of every possible sort.

- Independent pilots in general don't take anything seriously, but love to annoy the opposition and consider unfunny jokes a form of art, as well as taunting enemies in local.

So, before anyone begins to summon the Theology council, Speakers of Truth, discuss the relative downsides of being simply enslaved or bled to death, it would be wise to assume that if a militia pilot screams random things at you in local, it has like a 90% chance of having no relevance to reality whatsoever, and if you wasted even a second of your time reading his taunts, it means that he achieved his goal.

Nauplius is not a Blood Raider. Are you Nauplius? Speak up! Are you a Blood Raider, Nauplius? Let us all know! Are you ashamed?! Do you hide?! Or do you give your own blood to the covenant? Do you give life to those who need it most? Do you make the pilgrimage to Blood Reach? Do you believe in the, Ammatar, Saint Kalorr Makur? I've seen him with my own two camera drones! He even yellow boxed me!

Nauplius is not a Blood Raider! How can one be a Blood Raider and not visit the holiest of holies, Blood Reach? Or think that just because someone is born Minmatar, like Saint Kalorr Makur, that they are to be given up to destruction! Saint Kalorr Makur is alive! Just like all of god's chosen!
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#68 - 2015-11-24 17:48:04 UTC
Amusing how much of the conversation Diana seems to be trying to insert herself into. While it isn't my place so much to comment on internal politics in the 24th imperial crusade as a former member of it I can certainly say there are groups, such as holy Amarrian battlemonk, blood fountain massacre, and individuals that profess support for the "red God".

How serious they are is something that the Ministry of Internal order ought to investigate. I have had quite a few friends who were Sani Sabik, and I wouldn't paint them all with the same brush as the Blood Raiders. I also would like to point out I have no issue with Kalo Askold's organization, which strikes very often into the heart of Amarrian providence, why should I care what her religious views are if she isn't trying to convert or enslave us.

As far as the reclaiming goes, I find it intriguing some have decided to put the Empire on such a pedestal with their words, knowing the Caldari as I do, I am certain that if the Empire starts taking direct steps to harm the State that pragmatic voices will prevail and Caldari culture and sovereignty will be protected. The Caldari are strong like us, they would never let another power dominate them, they would always fight, always do what it takes to survive. The Amarr paint themselves as victims all too often which makes me wonder if they have ever really expierenced adversity as a culture.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#69 - 2015-11-24 18:29:54 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

So what's your opinion on blood raiders in the 24ic? Are they either detrimental or helpful to the 24ic war machine? More of a threat to the TLF?

Pirates are criminals and must be dealt with like criminals.
However, while they are killing TLF they might be left alone. As soon as the TLF will be defeated they should follow.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#70 - 2015-11-24 18:32:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

So what's your opinion on blood raiders in the 24ic? Are they either detrimental or helpful to the 24ic war machine? More of a threat to the TLF?

Pirates are criminals and must be dealt with like criminals.
However, while they are killing TLF they might be left alone. As soon as the TLF will be defeated they should follow.


Would you support Guristas and Sansha in the Protectorate? At least, until the Gallente are done. Then we can deal with them.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#71 - 2015-11-24 18:39:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

So what's your opinion on blood raiders in the 24ic? Are they either detrimental or helpful to the 24ic war machine? More of a threat to the TLF?

Pirates are criminals and must be dealt with like criminals.
However, while they are killing TLF they might be left alone. As soon as the TLF will be defeated they should follow.

But at the same time they are heretics to your allies, and unless I'm mistaken heretics are seen as worse to them. I'm not trying to twist your words or anything (I'm sure to you it seems like I am) I'm honestly curious, wouldn't that make them a bigger target for you when supporting your allies? You've seen how they've gone as far as to ignore wartargets to attack nauplius' towers. I more so say that since it sure seems like that would be a bigger target to them than even the TLF (as it should be, and something I would ignore the 24ic to combat as well).
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2015-11-24 21:18:18 UTC
Neph wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

So what's your opinion on blood raiders in the 24ic? Are they either detrimental or helpful to the 24ic war machine? More of a threat to the TLF?

Pirates are criminals and must be dealt with like criminals.
However, while they are killing TLF they might be left alone. As soon as the TLF will be defeated they should follow.


Would you support Guristas and Sansha in the Protectorate? At least, until the Gallente are done. Then we can deal with them.


Given the rules for joining the State Protectorate your question is a moot point. There are assuredly already members of both in the State Protectorate and under the rules of engagement, you can't legally shoot them.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#73 - 2015-11-25 00:26:17 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I also would like to point out I have no issue with Kalo Askold's organization, which strikes very often into the heart of Amarrian providence......

Ohhh I can wait for the next raid there! I want more free geckos!!! What? I'm sure they have have Intel channels, they should know better than to ignore them..... Or fly paladins during a raid that had been going on for a few hours, they had to know our fleet comp.... No excuses!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#74 - 2015-11-25 05:46:27 UTC
Neph wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

So what's your opinion on blood raiders in the 24ic? Are they either detrimental or helpful to the 24ic war machine? More of a threat to the TLF?

Pirates are criminals and must be dealt with like criminals.
However, while they are killing TLF they might be left alone. As soon as the TLF will be defeated they should follow.


Would you support Guristas and Sansha in the Protectorate? At least, until the Gallente are done. Then we can deal with them.

Sansha aren't humans at all. They are to be exterminated. Only complete morons would support Sansha, because Sansha doesn't just take people under his command. He turns them into brainless zombies, following his will without questioning. They are like rogue drones, but made from flesh instead of metals.

Guristas are filth and disgusting scum. I have been fighting them way before the Federation started the war with us again, and way before I realized that gallentes were such swines. I hate and despise gurista, as I saw with my own eyes how depraved and filthy these low-life scum are.

However, I wouldn't mind to use them as a meat shield and cannon fodder to fight against gallentean menace.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#75 - 2015-11-26 21:13:24 UTC
Blood Raiders ate my Victory Medal. Thats all I read here. Ridiculous.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#76 - 2015-11-27 00:02:47 UTC
Accusations. I don't see any Blood Raiders in the crusade. I see a bunch of fake Sani Sabik, trying to be fashionable. Blood Raiders don't have Amarrian masters.