Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Skills that just add plain yield provide players with higher SP more yield for no effort or skill.

A skill id rather see is one that reduces the grid need of links. This way it doesnt add a flat bonus for older players over noobs, instead it allows players to reach deposits on larger planets that they may not have before without having to uproot half their network. It may also allow players to plant an extra extractor or processor. All of which converts to a gain in yield, but to make the most of it you have to know what you're doing.

Second set of changes id like to see from PI is that the extractor area was not scaled with time. As someone who never has a regular week, the amount of time im away from the game fluctuates a lot and it is truly a pain to have to re adjust the position of 60-100 little dots because instead of being away for 48 hours, im going to be gone for 72 hours or more.

So my proposal is this:

1- Extractor program time no longer affects the extractor area size, but longer times still reduce efficiency.

2- Reduce the amount of extractor units per head to four rather than 10.

3- Add a slider that increases the extraction area of units. This could be a slider for each individual unit or a slider that controls the area of all units under that head. Larger areas take more grid and are also less efficient than smaller more focused grids.

this last point effectively replaces the (tedious) gameplay of planting several extractor heads in funny shapes around a single deposit. Instead you only need one extractor unit for each deposit you want to extract from and can then choose to scale it up to the size of the deposit or as much grid as you have left.

If they were to change the mechanics of how PI works, which would require fairly extensive changes to the code, I'd like to see the ability to set PI station modules in a set form similarly to pre-set and custom probe arrangements. A similar setup for extractor heads would also be cool. What I was suggesting with the skills was a way to change the current system with minimal coding changes needed. Skills are much easier to implement than overhauling the entire system, not that I am against that being done.

I would also love to see bombardment of PI stations and defenses to ward off those attacks as was mentioned earlier in this post as well. I think that would help to change PI from being solely passive income to beginning to create actual content.

The one thing I would like to see is being able to setup contracts for people to pick up and deliver your PI to/from the planet.

The upgrade the thinger fully. (I finished training PI stuff weeks ago, I'm old and it's a little foggy at this point)

I understand, I was talking more about moon goo than PI, so this thread probably wasn't the most appropriate place for it. I think You're right about PI, given that it depletes.

I'm OK with moon goo staying in the game, but it definitely needs to deplete. If you aggressively moon mine, it should be possible to have no moon goo in your region for a while. It will never happen though, given how loud the voices of major sov entities are, and how much they want to protect their risk-free income.

I would love to see moon goo be extracted from moons the same way that planetary materials are extracted from planets. Decentralization is a good thing.

I am hopeful that the citadel changes will include an update to moons and moon harvesting. I'd like to see them able to be mined in w-space, for one thing as it never made logical sense for it not to be possible there, and broader adoption and use of goo throughout the rest of the game while the ground work for such things is still being laid. CCP has a rare opportunity here to revamp one thing while working on another without doubly disrupting markets if they planned it well enough.

I like the ability to set up a lot of heads and move them around from week to week. In WH space where planets are lush it's a pretty helpful feature. In HS where planets have little material and 12 guys chewing on it I could see where the larger head coverage would allow casual players to pretty much mop up all the new materials as they spawn. It would remove the benefit of being actively engaged in extraction. Changing the game to minimize players putting effort into something is not good. (This coming from one of the laziest PI guys in new eden - you're idea would benefit me, but step on a lot of folks scraping every dime out of their PI operations).

I'm sorry your RL schedule is kind of wonky (been there done that), but it's a poor basis to minimize the benefits of active game play by others.

Here's the change I would like: I'm setting up a factory planet. I'd like to set up a factor (inputs, outputs, routings and links) and then be able to put a 5 in a box. When I hit OK- 5 factories would appear w/ the proper inputs, outputs, links and routes. I would then be able to slide the 5 factories around as needed, upgrade any links I need to and then hit submit. This new feature would reduce the number of redundant clicks by a factor of (in this case) 5.

Setting up a factory takes a lot of clicks.
1. pick build factory for pull down of options
2. pick normal / advanced factory
3. planet placement click
4. link to launchpad (2 clicks)
5. pick your output
6. route your final product (3 clicks)
7. route input #1 (3 clicks)
8. route input #2 (3clicks)
9. submit

5 X 16 = 80 clicks the current way or 16 plus entering a number my way. Being able to do multiples would open up the option to move facilities around on planets in less than an hour / facility. It would save around 10 mice from an early death each week (this would help to slow global warming and help to save the environment). Runaway medical costs for repetetive wrist/click finger injuries would be greatly reduced. It would cause kittens to purrrrrrr. All wives/girlfriends would suddenly love to do PI for you while you eat that sandwitch they just handed you. There are more less obvious benefits, but you get the point.

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It's connotion 101

How about we do this

-New PI Command Structures-
--Just like how the new structures will be fit-able before you deploy them,
--Let CCP redo the Command Centers, upon which we fit them, deploy them to the planet and they deploy and do what they are suppose to do. Extract and build stuff.
--Remove all the scanning stuff, or adjust it.
(and i will need more time to come back to this and fix it)