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What is the current state of Null-Sec?

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-11-24 16:40:10 UTC
We are mostly terrible at Eve and have no clue what we are doing.
Ginnie
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-11-24 16:47:04 UTC
I have participated in a few corps based in 0.0 over the past few years; frankly, I get bored pretty quick. My problem has been I've have joined small corps that aren't very active.

I haven't run into any of the large Alliances. I've had a few encounters with smaller PVP corps roaming around into the Alliance's SOV looking for fights. I've also noted that some Alliances are more defensive of their SOV and corp-mates than others.

The most recent corp I left easily had at least 30 people "supposedly" online every time I logged in, across the Alliance, and everyone, but one other (may two others) were docked up AFK. Personally, I don't find ratting by myself that much fun and get bored as heck standing guard while someone else mines. Truth be told, I wasn't in the right timezone for this corp. They kind of mislead me on what they actually did as well, but hey, live and learn...

Personally, if I was ever interested in looking for another corp and/or Alliance, I would do a much better job of interviewing the recruiter. I would want to know exactly what their goals are, how active they are and when.

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.

Avvy
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-11-24 18:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Cara Forelli wrote:


You don't play the game so of course you have no idea what you are talking about.



Now for a more sensible answer.

I might not really play the game now but I did do once, well a lot more than once.


Do you remember when there were more ice fields in high-sec? (circa 2005)

Do you remember when you used to get goods instead of LP for mission rewards?

Do you remember not flying to 0 when jumping to gates?

Do you remember the first Hulkaggedon?

Where you there when they did away with learning books and gave the sp back?

Where you there when salvage was actually worth something (those were the days, even new character could make millions in a day)?

Do you remember the old complexes in starter systems you could fly to and kill rats?

Do you remember the old character creator (actually, I only remember 3)?

Snowballs and fireworks, I actually had a destroyer fitted with firework launchers.

I was there when destroyers and battlecruisers where made racial.

and many others...


Edit:

I actually didn't think the Goons where that good for the game once, but I've definitely changed my opinion on that one.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-11-24 18:05:31 UTC
So, you're admitting you're a troll then. That's good, the first step to self improvement is admitting you have a problem.

Grrr.

Avvy
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-11-24 18:19:51 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
So, you're admitting you're a troll then. That's good, the first step to self improvement is admitting you have a problem.



Actually no, I'm not saying that at all.


I tend to have games I PvP in and those I PvE in.

EvE in the past always fell for me strangely enough into the PvE category.

So PvP in EvE would be new, although I have survived attacks in the past.

So I was looking for a PvP game as I'm not using one for PvP atm and thought of EvE.

Downside was I knew how paranoid and suspicious corps can be of returning players.

So as I had a new account and new character decided the best course of action probably was to just play a newbro. Not for any hidden agenda, but I thought the only way really to get into the PvP was to join a good corp.

Why am I telling you this now, because I don't think it matters anymore.
Cherri Minoa
Serendipity Technologies Inc
#26 - 2015-11-24 22:26:52 UTC
Null-sec has everything from 1 v 1 to 500 v 500. The fact that there are large power blocs that could come and stomp all over your face if they chose to simply adds some spice to things and keeps it from feeling too cosy. It certainly isn't anything that dominates your every thought. When you've lived in null long enough you get used to the shifts and swings of power, and even the experience of being pushed out of SOV for a while and having to fight your way back. It's all good.

"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#27 - 2015-11-24 23:08:02 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:


You don't play the game so of course you have no idea what you are talking about.



snip.




What you've outlined is just a teeny fraction of the game - there's virtually no direct player-interaction in the things you've mentioned, ergo you've essentially admitted you've only experienced a small part of the entirety of what the game offers. In a way, you've been singularly playing your own single-player version of EVE. There's a lot I haven't done yet, but gosh Lord, I'm trying to at least sample as much of it as I can..


So, no, you apparently don't know what you're talking about in this regard, sorry

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Avvy
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-11-25 02:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Bumblefck wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:


You don't play the game so of course you have no idea what you are talking about.



snip.




What you've outlined is just a teeny fraction of the game - there's virtually no direct player-interaction in the things you've mentioned, ergo you've essentially admitted you've only experienced a small part of the entirety of what the game offers. In a way, you've been singularly playing your own single-player version of EVE. There's a lot I haven't done yet, but gosh Lord, I'm trying to at least sample as much of it as I can..


So, no, you apparently don't know what you're talking about in this regard, sorry



What I outlined was events giving an indication of the time line (although I have done them, all except Hulkaggedon, I wasn't mining much by then, in fact hardly at all).

They weren't meant to be an indication of what I was doing during that time. Plus it wasn't a full list anyway.

There are things in this game I've not done, like combat PvP for instance, but then you know that already.

I was actually in null for a few weeks, but all I did there was kill rats, good isk though. I did actually quite like it there. Plus one ice mining operation as we needed the fuel. Always found mining ice boring though, but the fuel doesn't grow on trees.

So yeah, there are things in this game I don't know, but then I'd think that's obvious as I've not done combat PvP. Been sucide bombed twice in high-sec, both times my ships remained intact. Been through a gate camp in low-sec, mainly because I purchased something there by accident, along time back. Travelled through low-sec to null, it was actually quite that day, it was an easy trip. Although I've been to low-sec and null, I don't know them very well.

So you can take what I say with a pinch of salt if you like, I can do likewise to what you say.

Edit:

Actually there was a 3rd suicide attempt a long time back, lost a starter ship in a start system, he tried for the pod, but CONCORD got him first.


Edit2:

Oh and if you don't know what I am not supposed to know. Take a look at the first two paragraphs in post #17 and tell me what's actually wrong with them. I'd be interested to know.
Thierry Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-11-25 05:10:43 UTC
Stop trying to derail the thread, Avvy; not everything is about you.
Avvy
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-11-25 10:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Thierry Orlenard wrote:
Stop trying to derail the thread, Avvy; not everything is about you.


So I'm supposed to put up with the crap you guys keep posting, not going to happen.

I don't have any interest in derailing any threads.


Edit:

Two main reasons why my posts tend to contain 'I', first because I'm talking from personal experience (using examples) and secondly in answer to some of your (some people on these forums) posts that make it personal.

But I've noticed they don't just do it to me, they do it to others as well.

So their posts contain information and a personal dig at someone. It's almost like they're spicing the reply up for likes.


Edit2:

A lot of you guys do give out some decent information, but often you ruin it by trolling your own posts.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-11-25 12:50:44 UTC
Avvy wrote:

So I'm supposed to put up with the crap you guys keep posting, not going to happen.

You would not have any issues if you did not keep opening up your mouth about stuff that you obviously have very little experience with. Just because you've been logging on to change your skill queue for 10 years does not make you a verteran of this game.

I've been playing this game since 2009 and been active and done a lot of stuff and I still very much feel like a noob. I've posted incorrect information on these forums and been corrected by characters much younger than me. When everyone in this thread is telling you that your information is at best misleading, you then need to learn to take a step back and think if your posts are actually helping the OP or not.
Avvy wrote:

I don't have any interest in derailing any threads.

You in fact are derailing this thread and many others. If you want to troll go anywhere else on these forums.

This is the NC Q&A section. We should all be here to help the OP with their questions. If you are not being helpful to the OP then you need to learn to muzzle yourself.

If you have a valid question start your own thread. However this section of the forums is not for stroking your ego nor is it the place for you to pick fights to prove how right you are when literally everyone else is saying that you are wrong and lack experience.

I'm not saying that you can never post nor that you have nothing valid to add to any conversation. I'm just saying that in the NC Q&A we all need to focus on helping the OP. Not that I have never gone off topic but when I do the others here help get me and the thread back on topic.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-11-25 13:07:30 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Reading through this thread I kind of feel sorry for the op.

No wonder a lot of players don't actually post in these forums.

Seems paranoia and suspicion runs deep in this game.

The OP admited that he did not play the game. Then went on to rant about how he won't play the game if the big bad goons own everything and are unstoppable.

When I pointed out to him that the propaganda that he reads and actual game play are quite different and tried to focus him on asking questions about the actual game play and not the marketing material that CCP puts out for non-players to read, he then kept trying to bring the discussion back to how some coalition that I have never heard of before is ruining the game for him that he never has played.

OP did not come here to learn about the game he came here to vent about the new stories that he read. He most likely started a trial account just to vent on the forums here. He had 3 rant type posts within about 45 minutes and has not posted here since. I'm sure he's gone back to what ever else he does or plays as he never intended to play this game in the first place.

So while I love nothing more than helping new players the OP by his own admission does not play this game and it did not seem like he intended to. So I did what I thought was best and try to re-frame the convo into something that could be useful for other new (actual) players that are reading this section looking for insight into what null sec life is actually like.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#33 - 2015-11-25 13:26:49 UTC
Hofhadalos wrote:

What I would like to do is be a part of a smaller corporation that owns some space in Null-Sec, and engages in minor skirmishes with neighbors.


I see unoccupied systems in Delve or Cloud ring at the moment. Quite anumber of them, actually. I am not null dweller but I have heard, that new troll ceptor thing with entosis link make maintaining of large territory very time / force consuming. That is where your chance is comming. On the other hand... Ever concidered living in worm holes?
Avvy
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-11-25 13:27:14 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Just because you've been logging on to change your skill queue for 10 years does not make you a verteran of this game.



Roll

You can't help yourself can you, you always have to keep pushing. You just portray yourself as a bit of a troll.

It's only this time, I'm just playing skill queue online for two main reasons, one I'm no longer interested in PvE here, that was apparent when I started playing this time around. The other because most of my time is spent in another MMO, although that other MMO started crashing on me, but I've now heard of a fix, which I'll be trying later.

The only reason I'm here now is because I did a 6 months sub.

So who knows might even get back down into null before the end, after all got 1.4 billion isk still to burn.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#35 - 2015-11-25 13:39:12 UTC
Avvy wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Just because you've been logging on to change your skill queue for 10 years does not make you a verteran of this game.



Roll

You can't help yourself can you, you always have to keep pushing. You just portray yourself as a bit of a troll.

It's only this time, I'm just playing skill queue online for two main reasons, one I'm no longer interested in PvE here, that was apparent when I started playing this time around.


But you're apparently terrified to PvP, so you spend your time playing Skill Queue Online and trolling the forums. Honestly I don't know why anyone keeps responding to you (including myself)

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-11-25 13:40:16 UTC
Avvy wrote:


You can't help yourself can you,

You are the one who can't help himself.

For the last time this thread is not about you. Get back on topic or stop posting.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Avvy
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-11-25 13:50:46 UTC
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.



Maybe some of you guys should think about what you're saying before calling others a troll.

Plus you say I'm trying to derail this thread but it's you pushing it that way.

But one of us has to stop, so I shall.
Kurja Nikuvo
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-11-26 13:18:54 UTC
Hofhadalos wrote:
I recently started playing a few days ago, and I've been hearing a few conflicting opinions regarding the state of Null-Sec. From some places I hear that the Imperium is basically a superpower with no one that can challenge it, and in other places I hear that it's just slander spread by people that just don't like the Imperium, or more specifically Goonswarm.

So I'm wondering, just how much of that is true and what isn't?


I just came back so I'm not totally back up to speed yet, but my understanding is that Goons are the new BoB.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#39 - 2015-11-26 13:22:26 UTC
Kurja Nikuvo wrote:
Hofhadalos wrote:
I recently started playing a few days ago, and I've been hearing a few conflicting opinions regarding the state of Null-Sec. From some places I hear that the Imperium is basically a superpower with no one that can challenge it, and in other places I hear that it's just slander spread by people that just don't like the Imperium, or more specifically Goonswarm.

So I'm wondering, just how much of that is true and what isn't?


I just came back so I'm not totally back up to speed yet, but my understanding is that Goons are the new BoB.


This isn't Reddit; it's the New Citizens forum. If you want to talk about politics there's General Discussion.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Cherri Minoa
Serendipity Technologies Inc
#40 - 2015-11-26 13:31:44 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Hofhadalos wrote:

What I would like to do is be a part of a smaller corporation that owns some space in Null-Sec, and engages in minor skirmishes with neighbors.


I see unoccupied systems in Delve or Cloud ring at the moment. Quite anumber of them, actually. I am not null dweller but I have heard, that new troll ceptor thing with entosis link make maintaining of large territory very time / force consuming. That is where your chance is comming. On the other hand... Ever concidered living in worm holes?


They actually nerfed the troll ceptors so you can't fit an entosis link on it now, but the principle is the same.

The idea of FozzieSov was to favour groups who actively occupied and worked their space, while making large unoccupied tracts difficult to defend. I am still not convinced how much it achieved. The main activity after introduction was in areas like Provi that are heavily populated, and for good reason - that is where you get fights, and indeed much fun was had by all parties. Empty systems tend to be empty for a reason, and I am not aware of any rush by smaller alliances to take advantage of FozzieSov to occupy them.

Maybe things have worked out differently in other areas of null-sec.

"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson

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