EVE General Discussion

Enjoyable thread. Will read again.

I was thinking about just leaving this thread because I was making a genuine point about how stupid EVE and every other MMORPG's PvP is but the amount of rage coming from mainly goons was too funny to resist so I'll respond to a particular phrase that keeps being thrown around these forums without any real meaning called "Instant Gratification" here's why they're full of crap.


. These players are claiming that I, as a miner am taking the instant gratification route when everyone agrees mining is tedious, boring and you don't get a lot of ISK from it

. These players fly ships specifically designed to gank people for easy kills in ships, they don't go around picking fights they can't win ( I thought EVE PvP was supposed to be balanced, if it wasn't why couldn't you go and pick a fight with someone supposedly more powerful than you? How can they be more powerful than you in the first place just because they paid subscription a bit longer? It doesn't make sense ;) ) and they gate camp stargates which are CCP made chokepoints designed to funnel players through 0.0 for easy kills

. We are fully aware there are botters in 0.0 space that alliances own, this is cheating, so they aren't even playing the game honestly

. You boast about the risk in 0.0 space, yet people say once you get past the gate camps it is almost completely empty, so this means as long as the gate camps are up indiscriminately ganking every stranger who tries to pass through it will be safer than high sec space

. Rewards are much bigger, while this is debatable especially with incursions being recently put in, if you own the space and are ganking anyone else except your friends then you pretty much get all the rare ore, rats and missions you could ever want of course there are incursions as well to consider in 0.0 space though I don't know whether it gives out more or less ISK than high security

. It has been reported 0.0 alliances used exploits in EVE without telling CCP about them so yet again they could cheat their way to billions of ISK without having to do any of the grinding

Now I know you lot need to take your pent up sexual frustration out on something, but it's pretty sad when you decide to make several pages of thread quite literally almost at once and then try to discredit said person by claiming "EVE is not for you, noob, instant gratification player" etc. etc. when you all go around cheating through the game and when you find no ones playing by your rules anymore because low and behold this game is still a sandbox. You decide to take your frustration out on the only area left where players who just want to play the game are left.

Learn to pick your fights bud

I can't really figure out what the OP's problem is here. That other people have ships that could take his down? That he was outgunned? This sort of thing happens in Eve. You took risks, you paid the price, **** happens, it's unfortunate but it's part of life in this universe. This happens every day to hundreds of players.
Sore loser syndrome, I think.

posting in a 0.0 hate thread

0.0 sucks cos theres no where to save up any more, theres bubbles that eat your pods like candy, theres CTA, bossy alterlords running everything, people are always so grumpy, isk actually isn that great if you need to buy from high sec anyways, POS bashing sux, system ownership is boring and sux, allience dramas sux, ccp alts cutting corners, never a station to dock at after a roam, roams are long and boring, space is too dark, suns are too bright, warps are too long, that guy sed he doesnt like me, hookers on every gate (ugly ones), drug dfealers and theifs in every system, spacenarwols eat away at your hulls and once im pretty sure i was moelested by a stargate.

Do the women come with the candy on top of them? :D

…and instant gratification since there's very little work that needs to be done and you get the result immediately.
It is and it is, apart from some design inconsistencies between the racial doctrines that make them more or less suitable for certain needs. What you're talking about is not balance — it's match-making, which doesn't make sense in the context of the EVE universe. This is a wide-open sandbox, and the game will not do that work for you. You have to do it yourself. They're not more powerful than you just because they've played longer — they're more powerful than you because they use the right tool for the job and because they know how to use it.
No. They're designed for (somewhat) easy defence, like all choke points. Fortunately, like pretty much everything in EVE, there are counters to this in the form of ships that are superbly adept at bypassing such choke points (and others that can skip them completely).
…and it's the “almost” part that means they're still riskier than highsec.
The only one who's trying to discredit anyone around here is you, by calling people cheaters for no apparent reason. The rest are simply explaining to you that your claims and assertions make no sense and that you are quite obviously making huge assumptions about how EVE and are now trying to pass off your own bad decisions based on these incorrect assumptions as design flaws in the game. They're not design flaws — they're flaws in your decision caused by flaws in your assumptions.

Do they have ice cream too?!

Apart from some later attempts at face-saving, yes.

I see a lot of people including myself who are known to not be goons, who have expressed of a low opinion of your capacity and competency in this thread.

Im calling you a "clueless noob" because the more corect adjective would make the mods unhappy.

You are a person is not capable of handling a challenging situation you are also a person with out the capacity to understand why you fail.