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[Consortium] Combat testing of Drifter influx doctrine successful

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Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-11-22 07:33:14 UTC
Have you tested any range limits to the drifters? I had previous success with a sniping fit Cerb, alas the dps at that range was not formidable against the battleships. I wondered if sensor damps would have reduced the drifters ability to target at mid-level ranges, where more damage could be applied.

Keep up the good work, this menace must be dealt with.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#22 - 2015-11-22 09:47:12 UTC
And so the Drifters fall before the Righteous.

Well, that's that then, isn't it ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Darkon Gatland
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2015-11-22 15:01:42 UTC
We now have brave pilots taking on Drifters single handed in sites all over the Nashar incursion, they have made slow but steady progress, now is the time to send in the fleets!
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#24 - 2015-11-22 16:12:14 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
I wouldn't call it an assumption, so much as looking at the public records and asking for clarification.

Public combat records are nothing more than text and numbers, almost totally devoid of useful details and context that explains how things played out to result in their generation. The assumption was that we had 'wiped' based on little more than that there were multiple losses within a few minutes of each other, which is in fact no different from most times a site was run.

Furthermore, a 'wipe' implies a complete failure of the objective at the loss of the entire group. While the fight turned into a bit of a tit-for-tat once we ran out of Exequrors, we still managed to hold the field with three or four ships left standing once the last Drifter fell and the influx was closed.

Considering we have ranged from as few as two losses to upwards of eight in an individual Influx across the several testing sessions that have been held, I would be rather hesitant to consider that one incident to be out of the ordinary in any way, outside of the particularly (un)lucky strike on my vessel.

The Consortium appears to have arrived at what is, at the very least, a semi-reliable method for handling smaller groups of Drifters. The question of how reliable it is, and how much it can be scaled upward, still remains.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV

Arrendis
TK Corp
#25 - 2015-11-22 16:40:21 UTC
Indira Harashani wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
I wouldn't call it an assumption, so much as looking at the public records and asking for clarification.

Public combat records are nothing more than text and numbers, almost totally devoid of useful details and context that explains how things played out to result in their generation.


Which is precisely why a clarification would be needed.

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The assumption was that we had 'wiped'


Was not an assumption. It was a question: 'did you wipe?' If not, then 'no' is a perfectly acceptable answer.

If I ask you 'do you want a hamburger?' I am not assuming you want one. I am, in fact, doing precisely the opposite and asking you for information so as not to assume.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#26 - 2015-11-22 16:43:18 UTC
Incorrect, Arrendis. Reread the post we are referring to.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#27 - 2015-11-22 18:34:11 UTC
Oh, I've read it. And I understand where you're getting that interpretation. Don't get me wrong on that. But with the follow-up sentence, it becomes a 'uh... what happened?' Just an incredibly, incredibly poorly-phrased one.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2015-11-22 18:53:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Hm. As you will. There's an aphorism, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." I tend to think, though, that most capsuleers are bright enough to know what they're saying, especially on this forum

It's unfortunately easy to assume Blackwind is just ****-slinging.

By starting with so loaded a statement that also displays misconceptions about what occurred, I then assume she's trolling.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#29 - 2015-11-22 19:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Makoto Priano wrote:
Hm. As you will. There's an aphorism, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity." I tend to think, though, that most capsuleers are bright enough to know what they're saying, especially on this forum

It's unfortunately easy to assume Blackwind is just ****-slinging.

By starting with so loaded a statement that also displays misconceptions about what occurred, I then assume she's trolling.


I've found that aphorism to be far, far truer than I would've liked to believe it could be... even among the 'immortal angry sky-gods of New Eden'.

Think of it as my own strange mix of idealism and cynicism: I'm idealistic enough to want to believe someone's not intentionally being a jerk... and cynical enough to assume there's more than enough stupid out there to look like they are.Cool
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#30 - 2015-11-22 19:10:47 UTC
Something, something, stupidity and hydrogen?

That said, pilots, back to the weightier topic at hand. We've completed three test operations, with variable success; a full AAR will follow some consultations over the next several days.

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