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New characters with 55k SP, others with 430k?

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Window Payne
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-11-21 09:34:12 UTC
I'm curious how many other people are seeing this, and am wondering if I missed a change announcement somewhere.

When I create characters on a new account, they get the old pre-Vanguard 55k starting SP / skills now. When I asked in rookie help, others are seeing this too. And yet, when another person I was speaking with tried it, they got the expected amount.

What did I miss?

https://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-vanguard
...
Skills:
All new characters will now start with approximately 400,000 skillpoints rather than 50,000.
...
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-11-21 09:43:52 UTC
o god.. can we please stop already....... *picking a back of popcorn and ibf4l
Window Payne
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-11-21 10:06:03 UTC
Excuse me?

I know there were problems with the training queue progress for some people that lead to SP being lost. I didn't think I was talking about that - there isn't even a queue involved on newly created characters.
Avvy
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-11-21 10:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Window Payne wrote:
I'm curious how many other people are seeing this, and am wondering if I missed a change announcement somewhere.

When I create characters on a new account, they get the old pre-Vanguard 55k starting SP / skills now. When I asked in rookie help, others are seeing this too. And yet, when another person I was speaking with tried it, they got the expected amount.

What did I miss?

https://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-vanguard
...
Skills:
All new characters will now start with approximately 400,000 skillpoints rather than 50,000.
...



Have you considered those with 55k might be alts on an account shared with other characters that were created before the change and before the cut-off time for reimbursement (if they did it as a reimbursement)?
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#5 - 2015-11-21 10:58:42 UTC
Shouldn't matter. I created a new character after the change on a one year old account and got the 400k SP.
Avvy
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-11-21 11:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Arisidana wrote:
Shouldn't matter. I created a new character after the change on a one year old account and got the 400k SP.



Was that new character 1 year old?


Edit:

How old the account is doesn't matter, it's how old the character is.

Edit 2:

Plus some people may like having a 55k sp alt, as they won't be able to make another one.
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#7 - 2015-11-21 11:07:02 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Arisidana wrote:
Shouldn't matter. I created a new character after the change on a one year old account and got the 400k SP.



Was that new character 1 year old?


Edit:

How old the account is doesn't matter, it's how old the character is.


Did they change the start SP to 400k 1 year ago? Maybe read again what I said.
Avvy
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-11-21 11:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Arisidana wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Arisidana wrote:
Shouldn't matter. I created a new character after the change on a one year old account and got the 400k SP.



Was that new character 1 year old?


Edit:

How old the account is doesn't matter, it's how old the character is.


Did they change the start SP to 400k 1 year ago? Maybe read again what I said.



So you got 400k as expected, no surprise there.

The age of the account doesn't matter, the age of the character does.

Edit:

I'd say (best guess) is that CCP decided that if there were any old characters out there below 400k after the change then those characters were not being used as a developing character. So if a player wanted to start developing it all they would have to do is recreate it.
Avvy
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-11-21 11:43:54 UTC
Arisidana wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Arisidana wrote:
Shouldn't matter. I created a new character after the change on a one year old account and got the 400k SP.



Was that new character 1 year old?


Edit:

How old the account is doesn't matter, it's how old the character is.


Did they change the start SP to 400k 1 year ago? Maybe read again what I said.



It's not yours I should of reread it's the op's. Which, I now have done.


I can't see how those at 55k can be created now. Although I can see how there could be 55k characters in-game.

Only way to check is to see the character sp amount and birth date.

If it is legit then he needs to put a ticket in if he has not done so already.
Avvy
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-11-21 12:06:06 UTC
Just made a character called 'sp tester' now scheduled for termination.


Gallente - Jin-Mei - Sang Do Caste

DoB - 2015:11:21 11:53:40

starting sp 408,995


So it doesn't look like they recently broke anything.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#11 - 2015-11-21 13:44:09 UTC
^ just wow.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-11-21 15:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
What makes me wonder is, who is anal enough to be bird-dogging starter SP on "other characters"? Same guy who thinks a +.00000000007% increase in mitigation creates an über PvP? (It's +.00000000007% more than my opponent! I'm bound to win!) That's right! (Sorry my bruthuh.) Even obsessive compulsive/anal retentives can play EVE! My bad!
Do go on and on and on and on and on and on....

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#13 - 2015-11-21 15:30:43 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
What makes me wonder is, who is anal enough to be bird-dogging starter SP on "other characters"? Same guy who thinks a +.00000000007% increase in mitigation creates an über PvP? (It's +.00000000007% more than my opponent! I'm bound to win!) That's right! (Sorry my bruthuh.) Even obsessive compulsive/anal retentives can play EVE! My bad!
Do go on and on and on and on and on and on....


Don't be dumb, if you or a newbie create a new character and instead of the 400k you get 50k then you're going to ask questions and not be happy when people will tell you to "stop whining". If it's true what the OP states in that it doesn't always happen (a quick ask around in Rookie can easily verify this) but it does happen then it needs to be solved.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-11-21 15:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Gregor Parud wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
What makes me wonder is, who is anal enough to be bird-dogging starter SP on "other characters"? Same guy who thinks a +.00000000007% increase in mitigation creates an über PvP? (It's +.00000000007% more than my opponent! I'm bound to win!) That's right! (Sorry my bruthuh.) Even obsessive compulsive/anal retentives can play EVE! My bad!
Do go on and on and on and on and on and on....


Don't be dumb, if you or a newbie create a new character and instead of the 400k you get 50k then you're going to ask questions and not be happy when people will tell you to "stop whining". If it's true what the OP states in that it doesn't always happen (a quick ask around in Rookie can easily verify this) but it does happen then it needs to be solved.
You're right. There are no dumb questions; just dumb people who ask questions. VETERAN players rolling toons to check SP counts aren't newbies (who don't even know 400k from 50k. How could they?) Furthermore, if you know anything about the game (and don't have friends and alts liking your posts to make it appear you do) YOU KNOW 400K, 50K and the difference 350K are PIDDLING amounts of SP.

PIDDLING.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-11-21 16:00:11 UTC
I thought the discussion was kinda done with this, but here is what I know of the issue:

So yeah, toons created right before the update would have had the 56k. Toons after had 400k

I thought CCP had some sort of prograded SP thing to account for that so that the short period would affect. Caracters sitting untrained that are older than the short window where this would matter, why should they get more SP?


Throughout the history of eve, there has been tweaks and changes to the skill program. 344k of SP is not much overall in training time, veteran or not. The small number of new accounts and players that would legitimately be at any sort of noticable negative disadvantage is tiny at best. The time spent doing reimbursements and petitions, or creating some program to automatically retrograde? Well that is time wasted that can better be put into improving the game on a whole.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#16 - 2015-11-21 16:03:50 UTC
I just asked in rookie, one guy stated he didn't have 400k and I asked him to screenshot it. He's a 1 day old character with 65k SP. So yes it IS bugged and anyone who gave some bogus reply is an idiot.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#17 - 2015-11-21 19:23:55 UTC
If anyone figures out this bug, let me know.

I had to delete a new character the other day because it had way too many skills I didn't want . I'll gladly take the 55K option so I can make focused characters. The new ones are all over the place.

In fact, I'd be happy to be able to start a character with zero skills injected and zero SP. Alas, from the many times I've been shot down over this idea in the past, it seems I'm the only one that wants it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Christopher Abscons
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-11-21 20:41:41 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

In fact, I'd be happy to be able to start a character with zero skills injected and zero SP. Alas, from the many times I've been shot down over this idea in the past, it seems I'm the only one that wants it.


I've always thought this is how it should be. It makes sense, doesn't it?

I made a new character about a month ago and went through career missions. I found myself with a heaping pile of skill books that were of no use, since they were already injected. A new player would only feel more disoriented than if they started with nothing and built themselves up with in a way that they were directly involved in. At least to me, it does.
But this just gets into more of a "New Player, Broke Broke, Fix Fix" argument.

That being said, anything that is broken should ideally be fixed, yeah?
Window Payne
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-11-21 21:13:53 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
I just asked in rookie, one guy stated he didn't have 400k and I asked him to screenshot it. He's a 1 day old character with 65k SP. So yes it IS bugged and anyone who gave some bogus reply is an idiot.


Likewise
http://i.imgur.com/e4YpbBG.png
That one's with a day's training on a brand new account. No other history, no other characters. Brand new account was created and that's the character it got.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-11-21 21:18:43 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
What makes me wonder is, who is anal enough to be bird-dogging starter SP on "other characters"? Same guy who thinks a +.00000000007% increase in mitigation creates an über PvP? (It's +.00000000007% more than my opponent! I'm bound to win!) That's right! (Sorry my bruthuh.) Even obsessive compulsive/anal retentives can play EVE! My bad!
Do go on and on and on and on and on and on....


Don't be dumb, if you or a newbie create a new character and instead of the 400k you get 50k then you're going to ask questions and not be happy when people will tell you to "stop whining". If it's true what the OP states in that it doesn't always happen (a quick ask around in Rookie can easily verify this) but it does happen then it needs to be solved.
You're right. There are no dumb questions; just dumb people who ask questions. VETERAN players rolling toons to check SP counts aren't newbies (who don't even know 400k from 50k. How could they?) Furthermore, if you know anything about the game (and don't have friends and alts liking your posts to make it appear you do) YOU KNOW 400K, 50K and the difference 350K are PIDDLING amounts of SP.

PIDDLING.


So?

CCP said new toons/alts get 400k SP not 50k SP.

If someone creates a new toon/alt and it shows up with anything under 400k, you can bet people will have an issue.

Been around since the beginning.
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