Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The most hilarious part of this is that I'm not a ganker. I tried ganking for a bit, but it's not my cup of tea.

I mission, run anoms, and haul with my freighter alt in highsec. It's not just the gankers that think your idea is rubbish. I'm trying to protect what little risk I have left when undocking in highsec.

So you do condone this type of behavior. You should learn to speak more precisely or people might begin to call you a liar.

You are invoking the "she was wearing a short skirt so she was asking for it defense" which has no place in a civilized society. Blowing up industrials is intended gameplay. Making fun of other players is allowed. Neither of those gives another player the right to threaten me or my family with harm or excuses hateful personal slurs against me. The EULA says this as does common human decency.

Let's try this one last time. Forget bumping. Forget ganking, just forget internet spaceships in general. Pretend Eve online is just a "black box" activity that people like to do in front of their computer. Now, say you walk into your teenager's room, or your friend's dorm room and you see them yelling or typing death threats into their computer. Or you find your son/friend calling other people online the most vile, hateful slurs to another person over this online activity. Would you condone that? Would you tolerate your son engaging in that behaviour no matter what that black box was doing? Would you still look at your freind the same way after seeing him degrade and/or threaten another human being because he was upset by a computer application?

Put your fixation on internet spaceships aside and think about the absurdity of your position for a moment. No one is saying players can't get mad over this internet game - in fact the sense of loss and the thrills/emotions it produces is a major attraction of this game for most people, but some behaviours do cross the line.

Whether or not any of this sinks in, I have no interest in any more social interactions with you so I will now be blocking your forum posts. I will finally point out that Eve is a game about the strong preying on the weak, an absense of safety everywhere in the game, and a strong tradition of trash-talking and ribbing (remember HTFU?). If you cannot handle that without resorting to death threats and vile slurs you have no place in this adult game, which coincidently, is the position of the the game developer whose EULA says the same thing. Your position that subjecting suicide gankers to this abuse should be tolerated because "they asked for it" is unteneble.

I like how he's not even bothering to hide the fact that he fully condones and supports death threats and vile sexual or racial insults against gankers, because he thinks we deserve it.

He literally thinks the EULA should only apply in one direction. English fails me to describe how bad of a person you are, Mike.

Nope. Don't read more into it than I say. People get angry and say things they don't mean all the time. If being all politically correct was your thing, your posting style does not show it.

I would not think it was right if it was done in a situation where there was any chance of something coming from it. In context of internet babble it's just blowing off steam. It might warrant taking a walk for perspective, but nothing more serious than that.

I also don't believe that you have any right to take any form of offense at it when you are intentionally provoking as much anger and hatred as you can manage. This is not a case where you are just innocently doing some innocuous thing.... You are intentionally provoking that exact response, collecting them and having a good hearty laugh at how wild you can drive them.

...and then you pretend to take offense and use it to show how wrongly maligned you are.

I am not anywhere near that level of sadistic.

Flagged for being incompetent? That's the best idea I've seen in this thread, even though it would mean I was perma-flagged. :-/

Easy Mike, pilots who end up being bumped are effectively risk seekers, either through their own ineptitude or on purpose. I explained it a few posts back discussing risk aversion (a concept you still apparently do not quite understand as do most pilots not interested in PvP apparently).

And here you are their champion....defending either their risk seeking or their incompetence. Enabling them if you will.

But Mike, they knew or should have known what type of game they are playing. One where if you are imprudent you will lose your stuff. They were imprudent and they lost their stuff. Sending messages with RL threats and the like are out of line for a video game.

Gankers rarely if ever kill the prudent. They kill those who are imprudent. Doing things to increase their risk not lower it.

Once this is realized, Kaaruos as a good point. They should be angry at themselves to some extent. It is like a gambler who has impoverished his family blaming the casino.

That is what I did when I lost a JF. I was angry, but at myself for not seeing the trap. After stepping into the trap and losing a JF now I've learned something....painfully...but I learned.

So, to recapitulate, the ganking community is...

• Providing "school of hard knocks" type of lessons to players
• They even show how to avoid ganks.
• They are a decent and welcoming community that will show players how to gank...and avoid them with first hand experience.

But gankers are awful real life psychopaths, so it's okay to send them inappropriate in game messages.

And bumping is bad because it is applied to people who are imprudent when flying a specific type of ship.

Do I understand the issues correctly?

So no room for compromise or adjustment at all. The game is pristine and perfect as is.

A huge chunk of players perceives a problem, but really it's just them. Since they are all absolutely wrong and really aren't even really people but just destructible terrain it's ok to not only treat them anyway you want, but to push the envelope on how angry you can make them until they spout off inappropriately, laugh about it, and then use that to shame them further with mock indignation. Even better is the "they were asking for it with the way they were dressed" actually does get to apply to them.

Never mind that the issue at hand can be alleviated with simple changes that would impact your play style in very minimal ways, and further tools have been suggested that would increase the scope of your abilities dramatically in recompense for that minimal restriction.

I don't even champion bad and incompetent play. I am absolutely fine with popping all the freighters. But the people getting popped this way do have a legitimate complaint that loopholes are being used that violate the spirit of high secs rules, if not the precise letter of the law.

Precisely what is the difference between killing a freighter on a gate in high sec, or using a tool to misdirected a freighter from high sec into lo sec and killing it there? What is the difference in bumping a ship or just having it stop on its own while the gank squad closes in? What holy creed is being violated by preserving the intended gameplay of high sec by insuring direct action against a ship is met with the penalties those rules impose?